Author Topic: Rat Poison  (Read 22674 times)

Bodger

  • Joined Jul 2009
Re: .
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2013, 02:14:37 pm »
Unless you have black rats , those that are usually around are the wrong sort , brown rats . I don't know why , but brown rats don't carry the plague , or the type of flea that spreads it ? , not sure which .
But whatever , i hate rats and will kill them however i can , although i don't use poison as i don't want to kill other animals that may eat the dead rats .
So for me , any way other than poison , 'any' way !
Saying that , i shoot them mainly , or live trap and then drown .

These days Weils disease is a much more serious and often fatal disease than the plague.

spandit

  • Joined Mar 2013
  • East Sussex
    • Sussex Forest Garden
Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2013, 05:52:42 pm »
Thank you Rusty, my point exactly, Poison  is so indiscriminate in what it kills, plaster is single use and only kills the target animal without harming further down the food chain. :thinking:

Fair enough. I was under the impression that rats would carry poisoned bait back into their nests to feed the young. I guess this way they'd starve anyway...

My father once called a firm of ratters into a pub where they had an infestation. The rats killed two dogs...
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plumseverywhere

  • Joined Apr 2013
  • Worcestershire
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Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2013, 08:30:43 pm »
what kind of dogs?!
Smallholding in Worcestershire, making goats milk soap for www.itsbaaathtime.com and mum to 4 girls,  goats, sheep, chickens, dog, cat and garden snails...

spandit

  • Joined Mar 2013
  • East Sussex
    • Sussex Forest Garden
Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2013, 08:37:44 pm »
what kind of dogs?!

Terriers... there were that many rats and they were overwhelmed
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plumseverywhere

  • Joined Apr 2013
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Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2013, 08:41:52 pm »
That's awful  :(  I always worry about my cat and dog getting bitten by rats, let alone swamped by them - poor terriers.
Smallholding in Worcestershire, making goats milk soap for www.itsbaaathtime.com and mum to 4 girls,  goats, sheep, chickens, dog, cat and garden snails...

Reg henderson

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Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2013, 08:51:10 pm »
I have posted this tip before,


 mix bait grain with builders plaster , this set in the moisture in their guts , and wraps them up nicely without poisoning other animals.  :thumbsup:

strange you would admit to doing this sort of thing on the internet as it is against most pest control acts and can result in some hefty fines

Reg henderson

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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2013, 09:00:59 pm »
The rats take the poison out of the bait boxes or eat it and then go away and die slowly . Other animals then eat the dead rat , the poison in the rats body then kills that animal and then the same again with that one .
The plaster would set in the rat , if it ate enough , and be harmless to any animal that ate the dead rat .

most people think this happens with rat poison but it works on a L.D.50 that is a lethal dose of 50% . the amount of poison for a rat is low so a medium dog would need to eat loads of poisoned rats to have an effect , In comparison an average human would need to have around 20kgs to reach the L.D.50 

Reg henderson

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Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2013, 09:16:30 pm »
Think most people use rat poison without knowing the best methods . rat poison is to easy for anyone to get . If people had to go on training and find out how to safe bait and use it the way its meant then they would get results and eliminate the risks of accidental poisoning and reduce the risks of rats becoming bait shy . With the firm that I work with we are all trained to grade 2 in pest control . Know your laws, safe practices and where to bait and if your not sure get someone in to do the job , everyone to their own trade .

tizaala

  • Joined Mar 2011
  • Dolau, Llandrindod Wells,Powys
Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2013, 09:12:28 am »
""strange you would admit to doing this sort of thing on the internet as it is against most pest control acts and can result in some hefty fines""
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[/size].....Show me the legislation that covers plaster !!! [/color] :thinking: :thinking:

Bodger

  • Joined Jul 2009
Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2013, 09:31:19 am »
I joined this forum  a couple of years ago but didn't use it much. I returned a month or two ago and seem to get on with it much better than I did the first time around. When I returned, I posted this article that I wrote many years ago. The information in it still holds good. Suprisingly, it was more or less ignored the first time around buthere goes again.
 
 
Well I’m only really qualified to talk on one subject and as I would like to contribute to this new forum , my chosen topic as a one time professional pest controller, has got to be that of vermin.

In my work I use a veritable arsenal of rodenticide, pesticide, gas and traps against the constant menace of a seemingly ever growing throng of pests.

We as chicken keepers are in the frontline when it comes to the number one pest species. The Rat! We owe it to our neighbours, families and to our birds to wage a 365 days of the year all out war against the rat. I shouldn’t have to tell you of the dangers they pose but if you’d seen some of the sights that I’ve beheld, then you would understand why I say that even one rat on your place is unacceptable.

Ugh! Rats! I hate them.

The number one tool against rat has got to be poison. A good dog or a trap will catch rats but it will never get them all. The right poison put down in the right way often will.

When I turn out to an infestation I split the job into two definite halves. The first is to get rid of the rats and then just as importantly to try and prevent re-infestation .

Rats need two things to survive – that’s food and harbourage. If you can deny one or both of them, then you are on to a winner.

Most of the measures which need to be taken are just sheer common sense but if you are anything like me then you are an expert at putting off the blatantly obvious.

Firstly, do get yourself secure food bins with tight fitting lids. Don’t leave food in paper sacks and expect rats and mice to find the paper impenetrable.

Do try to feed your birds the right amount of food so that they clean up pretty quickly. Don’t leave great amounts at the bottom of runs especially after the birds have gone to roost.

Now onto harbourage. Harbourage is pest control jargon for somewhere to live. Unless you are fortunate enough to have tailor-made accommodation, the chances are that your bird houses will have inherent design faults that will encourage rats to stay for bed and breakfast with you. However if you keep your place tidy then you are on the right track.
By tidy, I mean get the scrap man in to remove that rusting pile of old junk and put a match to that pile of old wood or rubbish and generally get rid of that rat hotel!

Two things that I would suggest that you try and do whenever possible is to raise your existing sheds up off the floor and try to get 18 -24 inches clearance so that you can see if you have got unwanted visitors beneath your buildings.

Secondly, you can save all the tin sheet you can get and get it nailed flush to the bottom of all your doors and even consider using it to clad vulnerable areas

Now down to poison. The number one rule with poison is don’t skimp. Being ‘tight’ with your poison could mean that the rats get a sub-lethal dose and encourage resistance or bait shyness.

Warfarin has been on the market for 30-40 years and is known as a first generation anti-coagulant. You can still get it but it really has come to the end of its shelf life. With Warfarin you have to get the rats to eat an amount of poison over a period of time. Warfarin is what is known as a multi dose poison.

In the past ten years we have had the advent of a number of so called second generation anti-coagulants. They still use the same methodology to kill the rats but are single-dose poisons. The rats have to consume a lot less of the poison and only have to have one feed on the bait to get a good kill rate.

Down to practicalities. You need to keep poison down in the form of bait stations all year round and in that way you’ll never get a build up of vermin.

Bait stations can take the form of lengths of plastic or clay pipes placed in strategic positions. If you have the pipes about 3 foot long you can spoon the bait into the middle of it so that only rats can get at it.

Rat poison is now also sold in the form of wax blocks. These are excellent, if a bit expensive. They are weather resistant and can be nailed to the sides of sheds on rat runs and are less likely to attract the chickens.

One thing that I would advise against is the use of scatter bags. Although they might appear handy they aren’t as good as they are cracked up to be. Rat colonies have a definite hierarchy and the dominant rats often carry the bags away to keep them from their lesser brethren, hide them and forget where they put them so the poison is lost and therefore wasted.

Yeah! When it comes to pests I’m a mine of information and could literally go on and on, and if any of you members need advice on rodents or insects etc, then just PM me !

Reg henderson

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Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2013, 08:24:36 pm »
""strange you would admit to doing this sort of thing on the internet as it is against most pest control acts and can result in some hefty fines""
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[/size].....Show me the legislation that covers plaster !!! [/color] :thinking: :thinking:

The protection of animals act 1911 , This act gives general protection to domestic and wild animals. Under this act is an offence to do or omit to do anything likely to cause unnecessary suffering to domestic or wild animals. Why only approved techniques and methods for control of rats are allowed , otherwise we could all run around putting down plaster or antifreeze and put them through who knows what ????

Reg henderson

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Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2013, 08:53:19 pm »
Over the gate , Like you Im also a qualified pest control worker and have been full time for the last 6 years , have done my field biologist degree level 2 and thinking about doing level 3. only a few things of discretion about your posting

 1. In the past ten years we have had the advent of a number of so called second generation anti-coagulants. They still use the same methodology to kill the rats but are single-dose poisons. The rats have to consume a lot less of the poison and only have to have one feed on the bait to get a good kill rate.

 active ingredients commonly used in second generation poisons are bromodialone , difenacoum but they are both chronic poisons (chronic are slow acting multi-feed baits that cause minimal pain in their action . alphachlorous is also a second generation poison but is an acute poison single feed these are quick acting and effective but often painful in their action and only used as a last resort, worth noting that acute can only be used inside with all 4 walls and roof to prevent accidental poisoning of non target animals

Rats need two things to survive – that’s food and harbourage. If you can deny one or both of them, then you are on to a winner.

rats need 3 things to survive -  thats food ,water and harbourage


« Last Edit: May 02, 2013, 08:57:42 pm by Reg henderson »

sokel

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • S W northumberland
Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2013, 09:01:59 pm »
My Border Terrier is doing a good job at getting rid of the rats , she has had 3 today so far.
She can scent them out from a great distance and wont give up untill she has them.
Today she spent 4 hrs at a dry stone wall going back and forth untill she finaly got a hugh pregnant female !

Graham

Bodger

  • Joined Jul 2009
Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2013, 10:19:36 pm »
Reg. Have you got a degree in nit picking and splitting hairs too? What are you like?. :roflanim:
« Last Edit: May 02, 2013, 10:22:43 pm by Over the Gate »

Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: Rat Poison
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2013, 10:21:37 pm »
My Border Terrier is doing a good job at getting rid of the rats , she has had 3 today so far.
She can scent them out from a great distance and wont give up untill she has them.
Today she spent 4 hrs at a dry stone wall going back and forth untill she finaly got a hugh pregnant female !



Well done that dog.

 

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