Author Topic: (yet another) question on sheep housing..  (Read 9419 times)

Ladygrey

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • Basingstoke
(yet another) question on sheep housing..
« on: March 18, 2013, 01:52:12 pm »
Hi there  :wave:

I am a little stuck at the moment as to what I can/should do  ???

I have 5 ewes (well 3 are ewe lambs) due to lamb umm from tomorrow.. I dont have a barn to move them into and I made an enclosure out of hurdles in the field, with a shelter in (straw on the floor of shelter) and their hayrack and windbreak etc.

I thought this would be fine and would work for them to lamb inside.
However I am now having second thoughts! the enclosure is at the bottom of the field and with all this rain, it is getting wetter and wetter and they are now standing in alot of water!
I spent hours yesterday after work digging a trench by hand around the shelter to try and move the water out and into the ditch.
I have a double stable right by my house (wich houses my rabbit and a few supplies), the plan was to use half of it if a ewe and lambs needed help.
I am now thinking to clear out the stable and move the 5 ewes inside, aswell as having a small area onto concrete outside of the stable.
In my mind this wouldnt work for a number of reasons  ???

1. It has rats inside and it cannot be made rat proof, we also cannot poison as they leave blue droppings in the pig pens which the pigs then eat!
2. The ewes would have very little room to move, although the stable is a double old style stall.
3. the stable only has (apart from the door) one small slitted window (medeival style), which cannot be opened, leaving the stable very dark and musty with no air flow.

So I am at a loss as to what to do!! they are very wet were they currently are, and if I move them to the top of the field they are in the direct path of all the bad weather and wind, plus they are further away from the house!
But the pen they are in is now so very wet that I dont think the lambs would thrive at all!!

Apart from moving the ewes into my Kitchen! does anyone have any brain waves to figure this one out?

Stable looks a bit like this, but the stalls are a few feet wider

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-rDOxtUOsaBw/TW_yDV6BL3I/AAAAAAAAAMk/F4Q6FrXXQho/s1600/100_1436.jpg
« Last Edit: March 18, 2013, 01:53:49 pm by Ladygrey »

Yeoman

  • Joined Oct 2010
  • South Northamptonshire
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 02:21:52 pm »
I like your logical approach to this problem. 
I hate using poison but if you have a serious rat problem then it might be worth looking for a poison that won't affect the ewes, lambs or teh pigs.  I thought there was a class of rat poisons that only affected rats and mice.
If you take that out of your list of constaints then you're almost there.  How about leaving the door open for ventilation, make a pen outside the door, a bit of straw and you're away.  You might even have room to set aside a temporary bonding pen in the one corner.  This will allow ewe and lamb to bond and keep the lamb safe from crushing.  Hopefully by the time the next lamb arrives the previous occupants will be hardened off ready leave the barn.
Just a thought...

Julestools

  • Joined Mar 2013
  • In my shed
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 02:26:39 pm »
Move them into the lounge.... nice log fire... and then you don't get cold while lambing. I would offer the use of my sheds but 180 miles is a little to far to travel for the poor sheep. I would be tempted to use the stable though. As long as they have shelter and some straw they'll be ok.

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 02:41:25 pm »
On a slight aside it may be that your rat poison isn't working.  They should only need to eat 15g before they die.  Look at the active ingredient and switch to a different one.  Can you rig anything up using the house wall or a livestock trailer as one side?  Sheets of tin, tarpaulins, external ply, tent ....?

Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 02:45:55 pm »
How about leaving the door open for ventilation, make a pen outside the door, a bit of straw and you're away.  You might even have room to set aside a temporary bonding pen in the one corner.  This will allow ewe and lamb to bond and keep the lamb safe from crushing.  Hopefully by the time the next lamb arrives the previous occupants will be hardened off ready leave the barn.
Just a thought...
This is more or less what I have done. Mine have access to the field when its dry but for the rest of the time they are in the stable yard and I leave the stable door open. The stable roof has a wide overhang and when its wet they seem to be happy outside the stable but out of the rain. At night I shut them in the stable with the bottom part of the door closed but the top open for ventilation.
It works for me
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Foobar

  • Joined Mar 2012
  • South Wales
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 02:49:08 pm »
1. Rat traps with Rolos as bait (or chocolate, or peanuts ...) placed outside the stable.
2. Disinfect the stables well, including up the walls, to rid the place of any rat nastiness.

3. Let the ewes lamb outside and then once each one lambs bring them into your stable for a day or so so that they can bond.  This will give the lambs the best start before they get turned back out into the rain.  Those stalls are a perfect size for a ewe and her lambs.  Leave the door open.
Of course if your ewes all decide to lamb on the same day then this won't work and you'll have to have them in your kitchen ;) .

Bramblecot

  • Joined Jul 2008
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 02:53:29 pm »
My sympathy with the excess water - we are the same here  >:( , slopping about in mud. 
I am keeping a few of last year's ewe lambs in a stable with an outside pen made of 6 hurdles on the concrete.  The door is kept open and their water and hayacks are outside - it works fine.  If your site is exposed you could put straw bales on the outisde of the pen for shelter.
If there are rats in the stable, they will probably also be in the field shelter.  How about cage traps instead of poison?
Good luck with your lambing :fc:

ZaktheLad

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Thornbury, Nr Bristol
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 02:57:23 pm »
I would use the stalls and put a sheep hurdle across the main door entrance - this would allow for more air/light inside.   Far easier for you too to have them in out of the wet and mud, especially if you encounter any problems. I would pen each ewe in a section of the stall for a day or so once lambed and then if the wet weather continues just release each individual family in to the wider area so eventually you may have all 3 with their lambs with access to the whole stalls areas. 

Ladygrey

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • Basingstoke
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 02:58:51 pm »
Thankyou everyone :)

Yes I think I will have to look up some sort of block poison that doesnt affect pigs  :thinking:
Unfortunately I cannot set traps as our hens are completely free range, and birds and bats nest in the beams of the stable so we cannot use traps inside the stable either. The stable dates from around 1720 and although it doesnt let any rain inside, there is no way of making it rat/bird proof, and due to its listing we are not allowed to adapt or change it in any way  ::) silly old buildings!!

I cant really rig anything else up against the stable to make it bigger due to its awkward shape and position.

if a ewe starts lambing could I move her before she drops her lambs? or will I have to sit and wait and move her the min they have arrived  ???  :thinking:

I think for the moment I am going to have to rig up something and move them inside one at a time, and just hope that they dont decide to lamb at once!

Ladygrey

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • Basingstoke
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 03:02:41 pm »
Bramblecot, I did think of using straw bales as shelter, but the only bales I have are hestons.. I have rung around trying to find small bales but everyone has run out!
I cannot bring hestons into the field as its too wet to drive the jcb in, as the only way to the field is to drive through the garden and past the chicken sheds...

Yes a 6 ft hurdle would fit nicely across each stall, so if two ewes lambed at the same time they could both be inside the stable at the same time! will try and think of a way to put a hurdle across the stable door

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
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Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 03:03:57 pm »
It's easier to move a ewe when she's lambed (as she'll follow her lambs) than to catch her before - but if you are worried about the lambs getting drowned or soaked and cold then you'll have to move ewes looking imminent. 

If you do end up with more than one ewe and her lambs in the stable, then as ZtL says, try to make individual pens for ewes with very young lambs.  Ewes can be very rough on other ewes' lambs, especially in a confined space, and ewes soon to lamb or lambing now can get confused about which is their lamb(s) and end up rejecting their own lamb and either pinching someone else's lamb - and all combinations thereof  ::)

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SouthMains

  • Joined Jul 2012
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 03:08:10 pm »
We had a major poblem with rats, and also had constraints that meant trapping poisoning would not be suitable...solution CATs, we got to semi ferral cast from cat proetcio league.  No more problems wih rats or mice.  Was worried cast would go  after chicks, however this hsnt happend. Possibly because we introduced our cats when they were still very litle to a particularly grumpy mummy hen, wo soon chased them off, now the never go near the chickens or the chicks.

SteveHants

  • Joined Aug 2011
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 03:08:19 pm »
How is the rest of the field?


If it is only wet at the bottom, can you not just have them lamb outside? Don't pen them, just let them get on with it.

Pomme homme

  • Joined Feb 2013
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 03:24:51 pm »
Here goes, first time post!

We had a problem with similarities to your own, Ladygrey. If I relate how we dealt with that - not perfectedly, but what in a smallholder's life ever is - it may be of use and interest to you and, possibly, others.

Most of our pasture is between two arms of the river that cross our land. We have a field shelter serving that and in past years our ewes lambed in the field - fortunately consecutively, rather than concurrently - and we used it to provide shelter and bonding space for the days after each birth. However of recent years, with ever wetter autumns, winters and springs, we have suffered an increased risk of this land flooding and so in 2012 we fenced in a large part of our back garden, to provide winter quarters above river level, and the adjacent lean to shed served for lambing and overnight shelter, the ewes and lambs sharing, of necessity, with geese, ducks and chickens. However with even yet more rain this autumn and winter, it's become increasingly more difficult to keep that dry (due to water permeation through the walls, due to the abnormally high water table) and so with lambing in prospect we were forced to think again.

Immediately adjacent to our kitchen door is a wood shed. Because it's raised about 20 cm above the surrounding land and thus generally doesn't flood or suffer water penetration (the leaking roof is on my summer works' agenda), we decided to use this for lambing and devised a temporary conversion that would allow it to revert to its original purpose at times other than when needed for lambing and post lambing accomodation for our ewes and their lambs. It measures 3.5 m by 4.5 m, with a former window opening on the north elevation and was entirely open on the east elevation. We closed up the former window opening with a pallet, timber battens, left over waterproof roofing membrane and an old blanket. The eastern elevation was partially closed by nailing old doors, planks and suchlike across one half and we partially enclosed the other half using pallets - one fixed and one hinged as an entrance door - covered, again, with roofing membrane and old blankets (stapled in place).

We were fortunate to be able to source, free of charge, about a dozen substantial wooden pallets from our feed merchant. In addition to the uses already mentioned, these we used to make three lambing pens, about 1.2 m by 1.2 m, inside the wood shed. Because we didn't want them to be permanent and we wanted to be able to revert, subsequently, to the original open plan interior, we didn't screw or bolt them to the floor or walls but braced them, with old wooden battens, so that the ewes could not push them out of place, and held them in place with concrete blocks and/or fixed them to whatever pre-existed and was suitable. The pallets are secured together with heavy duty bailer twine and the same is used as 'hinges'' and 'locks' to the doors of each pen.

It seems that this rather ramshackle approach has served its purpose. Our three ewes and their five lambs seem to like the pens and the shed so much that they complain bitterly when we drive them out into the yard that was our back garden! But the important thing is that the animals are warm, dry, content and seem to be thriving. And when - hopefully - we turn them out into the riverside pasture next month, we should be able to dismantle the pens, number the parts and stack them in the corner of the shed until spring 2014.

I will try to attach some pictures of that which I've described (although frequently I seem to make a mess of this on my first attempt on a new forum). I hope that all of this may be of some help     
« Last Edit: March 18, 2013, 03:30:43 pm by Pomme homme »

Ladygrey

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • Basingstoke
Re: (yet another) question on sheep housing..
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 07:42:37 pm »
Thankyou everyone for your help :) and Pomme Homme those are some fantastic little pens!  :thumbsup: if only my stable was more open I could make some!

Yesterday evening we had our first lamb! born outside into the wet to Bear (moorit shetland ewe), we moved her and lamb into the stable and warmed lamb up, he is a solid black lamb! apart from silvery bits on his legs and face, he looks identical to a coloured ryeland lamb, which is odd considering dad is a white ryeland and mums last lamb was white to the same dad! must be a throwback :)

He doesnt seem to be drinking very well from her udder and cant seem to find the teat when I am watching, but he is very bright and warm and lively and his stomach seems full, so I assume he must be getting some milk!

« Last Edit: March 21, 2013, 07:48:14 pm by Ladygrey »

 

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