Author Topic: Horse meat in burgers  (Read 20451 times)

happygolucky

  • Joined Jan 2012
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 08:54:09 am »
Rosemary, a point that always gets me upset is the fact that so many horses just get left in fields.......and neglected.
All the fuss around dog breeding and horses are the ones that get forgotten about!!!!
Its funny how we are choosy what animal gets eaten and what animal stays as a pet!!

NormandyMary

  • Joined Apr 2011
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 09:28:09 am »
It's nay good!
Somebody need to rein these supermarkets in, or they are going to be saddled with huge law suits.
Sorry Ill trot off now!!!

happygolucky

  • Joined Jan 2012
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 10:01:46 am »
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Somebody need to rein these supermarkets in, or they are going to be saddled with huge law suits.
Sorry Ill trot off now!!!
:roflanim:
 

Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 10:31:08 am »
When you look at the figures - most of them only found 0.1% horse DNA... Don't know anything about the science of DNA detection - but that sounds almost within the limits of error margins! OK, the one they found at Tesco's was 29% - that is serious... And I don't even know whether the supermarkets are to blame for wrong information on the packets; this looks more like them buying whatever they could get cheapest (nothing new there), and the suppliers/processors taking shortcuts to be able to offer the cheapest. (You can still blame the supermarkets about caring for profit more than truth...)

hughesy

  • Joined Feb 2010
  • Anglesey
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 11:06:44 am »
It's just a labelling issue really. No food safety problems. A lot of people in the UK are horrified if eating horse meat is mentioned though. Dunno why.

Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 11:12:34 am »
Exactly - mostly a cultural problem, really. I think maybe they should put labels on their products like they have on some biscuits etc - may contain peanuts, or manufactured in a plant that also processes nuts - something like may contain traces of other meat? (Well, 29% is obviously more than a trace...)

happygolucky

  • Joined Jan 2012
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 11:15:08 am »
The pork content is going to offend a lot of people and so it should, thought things were supposed to be labeled correctly, I suppose it depends on the wording.......

Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 11:42:24 am »
How much pork was there actually in them - I didn't see a figure for that (admittedly, didn't read all the stuff that's online about it today...). If it's less than 0.1%, would you really expect it to be on the label in all detail?

It was said somewhere that there isn't a logical explanation about the content; it's not as if it's a money saving. Just cross contamination, I suppose, in most cases.

Greenerlife

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Leafy Surrey
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2013, 12:11:16 pm »
Apparently, the burgers were low in fat but high in shergar...


(i'll get me coat...)

goosepimple

  • Joined May 2010
  • nr Lauder, Scottish Borders
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2013, 12:19:21 pm »
If you eat meat does it really matter what you eat - horse, dog, pig, guinea pig, chickens, cats, ducks, goats etc  ???  it's all meat.
registered soay, castlemilk moorit  and north ronaldsay sheep, pygmy goats, steinbacher geese, muscovy ducks, various hens, lots of visiting mallards, a naughty border collie, a puss and a couple of guinea pigs

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2013, 12:34:34 pm »
I have eaten horse meat overseas (a long time ago) and found it perfectly acceptable.  However, where horses are not specifically reared as meat there will be no record of medicines and other treatments used, so the withdrawal times will not be noted, or adhered to.  As for sending maltreated, malnourished, neglected horses for meat, then the meat itself is likely to be of poor quality and the parasite burden could be high.  Surely if those same animals were cattle, sheep or pigs they would be rejected for human consumption at the slaughterhouse?
If we are to eat horse meat then it should be from animals reared and slaughtered in our own country and with the same health and identification requirements as other meat intended for human consumption.
Even then, if those selling the products are unaware that there is horse in their products then they cannot claim traceability.
 
I can't help but feel that those of us who can rear our own meat and grow our own vegetables are in a happy place, but for most of the population that luxury is unavailable so they have no option but to trust the shops where they buy their food.  The problem here is betrayal of that trust.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2013, 12:36:25 pm by Fleecewife »
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pheonix

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Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2013, 12:42:50 pm »
I have no problem with horse meat being eaten. I wouldn't choose to do it myself. I DO have a problem with the welfare issues around the live transport of horses across the EU in quite sickening conditions. But if horses are either reared for meat with high welfare standards or surplus horses culled for meat in suitable premises, I don't have a problem with it.

I think we need to get over our problem in the UK with slaughtering horses for meat. It would be a more useful end for a lot of horses.

AGREE ABSOLUTELY. i dont think there is much difference in raising cattle/pigs and eating them etc to eating horses. i think many of the people who wouldnt eat a horse, havent raised their own livestock for slaughter either. eating animals that you have grown to love does harden you to the thought of eating horses, especially as there are so many poorly bred, unwanted ones being given away.
if you thought about it, if we slaughtered all the unwanted horses in britain, we would have more land (from grazing/haylage/grain)  available for growing food to make uk more self-sufficient, and then maybe pig farmers wouldnt be going bankrupt.

lachlanandmarcus

  • Joined Aug 2010
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2013, 12:56:21 pm »
One issue is that they say there is no food safety issue BUT one of the reasons horse passports were intrduced was to prevent horses treated with the most common painkiller for horses, bute, going into the food chain. If your horse ever has bute the passport is marked so they cannot go into the food chain, ever.
Since noone has any idea where this horsemeat has arisen, then either there is a risk to health as there is a good chance some of the horses will have been given bute at some point. OR bute isnt a health risk, in which case it makes a mockery of that aspect of passports
(The EU wanted to ban bute as it isnt tested safe for humans but UK got an opt out so long as bute treated animals were marked as not for food chain. My BIG concern over this whole issue is that bute is the cheapest and most effective painkiller out there and if the EU chose to, they could say the opt out and traceability isnt working, and ban bute for use on horses in the UK, which would be a welfare issue.
Makes me very cross. Wouldnt have happened if they stuck to putting meat of the species claimed into burgers, preferably sourced from UK.

happygolucky

  • Joined Jan 2012
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2013, 01:00:51 pm »
Interesting that on radio 2 some one just asked where did the horse meat come from? They say we usualy give far more medicines to horses than other animals for the meat market, could that be a concern?and Greenlife,    that was funny   :roflanim:

Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Horse meat in burgers
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2013, 01:19:06 pm »

Makes me very cross. Wouldnt have happened if they stuck to putting meat of the species claimed into burgers, preferably sourced from UK.

As I said above - this really isn't an issue except for the one case where the horse content was 29%... All the others can't have "put" different meat in it - that would have only happened if they wanted to save money, and at 0.1% of the total meat used a saving can't have been an objective. I find it more worrying that cross contamination obviously happened - plant not cleaned properly between batches of different meat? That can lead to H&S problems in the end. (I remember a case of cross contamination when I was in France - the gages of the farm were made into jam in a small factory; we then found traces of tomato in one of the jars... They'd been making tomato chutney or such like before our batch. Not dangerous, but makes you think!)

 

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