Author Topic: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own  (Read 4507 times)

Eve

  • Joined Jul 2010
If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« on: January 14, 2013, 02:54:45 pm »
One of my hens is eating and drinking but is not well, and hasn't been for a week or two. Not at death's door, just not well either.
 
The others in her run are fine, never had a thing wrong with them. They eat layers pellets and some mixed corn and greens, and there is poultry spice in their feed. They have grit and oyster shell, and there's a supplement in their water to improve shell quality. Bedding, run, water & feed are clean.
It's just one of them that stands there, all hunched up and clearly unwell though not that bad that I expect her to die any moment. They've been wormed (inc the sick one), have no mites or lice, eyes and noses clear, tails upright etc. No penguin stands or problems walking. No blocked crop or foul smells from either end. Feathers at the vent clean.
 
I first noticed a week or two ago that she started having less interest in treats - whilst the others savaged the cabbage, she seemed to be not that bothered. She stopped laying, but then again she's an ex-batt whose eggs already had thin shells anyway regardless of all the oyster shell and supplements, and some of the other ex-batts had already stopped laying (except one brave little soul who produces an egg daily regardless what might happen around her).
Then she got worse a good week ago, one day I came to the run to find her sitting there on her own, looking miserable. I thought there might have been a link with the jar of earthworms a child had brought them as a treat a few days earlier (the chickens were wormed in September, but to be honest they did get some other food so the worming might not have been done properly), or some other gut-related issue as there was lots of diarrhea to clean up. So I wormed them all just in case and gave them some yoghurt daily as well but no other treats. That seemed to have done the trick as the pooh improved straight away, the ill chicken was better within days and seemed perfectly fine again a week later, just a bit less energetic than the others.
 
Phew, problem solved. Or not?
 
Yesterday she was a bit quiet again and went to be early.
This morning she was sitting all hunched up. Might it be that because the temperatures dropped, whatever ilness she was fighting off is now back? I'm worried about the cold, as the weather forecast for the coming week is -7, and the run is in a windy field (though with lots of plastic windbreaks around their run, inc a porch to the coop). When I read up last week about what could have been wrong with her, it was often mentioned to keep an ill chicken warm. Now I'm wondering if perhaps I should take her home with me instead of leaving her out on the field. She currently shares a coop with 3 others. At home she'd be inside in a balmy house so no energy spent on keeping warm, but she'd be on her own (well, apart from me ;) ). No dogs or other pets in the house, just warmth and her choice of daytime television.
 
So what do I do?
1) Whatever this sick hen has wrong with her, the others aren't catching it.
2) She's a pet chicken, but I'm a bit reluctant to pay a vet (the appointment alone is £30) if they can't do much more than what I'm already doing. I kind of expect the vet to give her antibiotics and hope it'll sort the problem (whatever the problem may be). Taking her to the vet would also be stressful for her, she doesn't like being picked up.
3) Would being away from the others in an unknown but warm environment for a week or more be more wearing on her than being in her usual company but outside in the cold?  :-\  We've had chickens in our house before (long story, lots of disinfectant) so I'm aware of how much they pooh and she won't be allowed on the sofa  ;)
 
What would you do? Vet? Home and vet? Nothing?   :-\ 
 

the great composto

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Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2013, 03:05:57 pm »
Hi eve

When I have seen this sort of thing I always think cocci because that is where I lost my first hen because i didnt know.
If it is then It is usually linked with very white watery poo.  Have you seen any of that?
There are treatments for it. but you have to withdraw the eggs for a while.

When i lost mine it was a rescue that was over 3 years old and I assumed that was about their life span and old age was catching up on them.

There is a definate hunched up and miserable look about them that means there is something wrong.

Izzy

  • Joined May 2009
  • Stirlingshire
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2013, 03:10:59 pm »
Could you borrow a dog cage? I'd bring her home to the warm and put her in a dog cage covered in a blanket. Don't line with shavings or newspaper incase she pecks at them. Give her fresh water and offer cool sweet porridge or scrambled eggs. See how 24/48 hours goes.

Eve

  • Joined Jul 2010
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2013, 03:21:54 pm »
Thanks for your quick reply, Composto. I first though about cocci, too, there was indeed quite a bit of white watery pooh & diarrhea about two weeks ago (no blood, but that doesn't rule it out, I know). But both pooh and hen were definitely better after her first dose of wormer & yoghurt and she kept on improving until her setback yesterday, so my hopes were that it was just worms or a relatively minor gut problem. But I could be wrong, of course.  :-[
If it was cocci, wouldn't she have gotten much worse and have passed away by now? I thought with cocci they go downhill very quickly? (Don't get me wrong, I don't want her to pass away!  :'( ). I'm not worried about having to buy eggs, I'd rather she's feeling better again.
 
Anyone else who thinks it might be cocci?
 
Izzy, thankyou, yes, I have a transport box standing at the ready in case of emergencies. Cooled sweet porridge, I'll try that, thanks.

 
 

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2013, 05:27:37 pm »
Bear in mind that if you remove her from the group she'll have to fight her corner for her place in the pecking order if she survives and is reintroduced to the coop.  If she's an ex-batt it may just be her time to go.  I prefer to separate out any ailing hen, just in case it has an infection.  I do find that, alas, as with most prey species, they're mostly either fine or they're dead.

chrismahon

  • Joined Dec 2011
  • Gascony, France
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2013, 07:43:43 pm »
Could be the onset (just onset) of sour crop. Separate her and administer (forceably if required) 40mL water only (10mL, 4 times a day) and no feed. Keep massaging her crop every daytime hour. Be sure she is pooing no solids before you allow feed again, usually 24 hours. If symptoms persist she may have proper (fungal) sour crop so needs vet. Re-introducing her is the least of her problems.


TLC works wonders but sometimes you need to be more pro-active.

Eve

  • Joined Jul 2010
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2013, 09:27:12 pm »
Thankyou both.
Chris, I'll check her crop in the morning, and have a feel of the others' crops, too, as a comparison since I'm only in my first year of having chickens (hence lacking in a bit in knowledge of how to be proactive  ;) ). The pooh that I have seen her do has been fine since the day after she fell ill but small - no wonder as she eats little. In the run there was a wet splash with some small green bits of pooh in that looked like massively oversized green mouse droppings, if that means anything (but I don't know of which hen that was so might not have been hers).
 
Is garlic in yoghurt really such a wonder drug when it comes to dealing with / preventing sour crop? (Just so I know for future reference.)
 
« Last Edit: January 14, 2013, 09:52:26 pm by Eve »

HesterF

  • Joined Jul 2012
  • Kent
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Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2013, 10:07:09 pm »
How old is she? Could be, as Marches Farmer says, just her time to go? Personally I take them to the vet just because otherwise I could end up treating them for all sorts of irrelevant things and stressing her further. Certainly at my vets they can check poo really easily and will give you results for worms and Cocci type things straight away because they can see them down the microscope. Blood samples etc. have to be sent off and cost a lot more so unfortunately you can rule things out but not necessarily get a full diagnosis if all the tests are clear (my avian Leukosis was eventually diagnosed after having treated for worms (they had bad infestations), Cocci (also infected) and been given general antibiotics - turned out they were just prone to picking everything else up too since their immune systems were failing).

I think I'm now getting a bulk discount at our vets but last time it was £25 for the appointment, antibiotics, an anti-coccidiosis and a course of worming medicine. She still died but not for lack of trying.

And, yes, I'd bring her in. I have a couple of big dog crates and by the time they're just looking sad and hunched up outside, they just seem relieved to be warm and dry inside. It certainly perks them up a bit - enough to have a wander around the kitchen and face off the cats.

H

Eve

  • Joined Jul 2010
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2013, 10:26:45 pm »
Thanks, Hester, I'll follow your advice. She's been with us since April, so as ex-batts are about 18 months when they leave the farms she'd be about 2.5 years old, I guess.
Sometimes she perks up, then a few hours later she seems to be going downhill a bit. A lot better than that one day when she was definitely ill, but never quite entirely well again.  :(

Possum

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • Somerset
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 11:18:31 pm »
Most vets will check a poo sample without seeing the chicken. Doesn't cost much.


Probably worth bringing her in for a couple of days, just to see if she improves.

Eve

  • Joined Jul 2010
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2013, 07:41:29 pm »
Looks like you were right, Chris, a day of dieting has done her a lot of good, thankyou  :thumbsup:

chrismahon

  • Joined Dec 2011
  • Gascony, France
Re: If I take my sick hen home she'll be warm... but on her own
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2013, 11:52:06 am »
Pleased I could help Eve. Just so happened that our pet cockerel Bottom had just had exactly the same problem a few days earlier and that's how we treated him. Successfully I add. He's toasting himself in front of the woodburner at the moment, having squeezed under the drying washing to do so!

 

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