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henchard

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2012, 09:00:48 am »
However, everyone I have come across is willing to switch to english without making me feel uncomfortable.

The general conversation between staff & customers is in welsh, but my stylist switches to english so that I get at least part of the conversation,  it's seemless.

It doesn't take much effort on my part to learn a few phrases & that small effort is greeted with great smiles & enthusiasm.

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Same with the hairdressers (I go here even less frequently than the pub I'll have you know).

My wife doesn't have that issue; having decided to downsize it is much more economic if I do it; so after purchasing some scissors and watching a few Youtube tutorials i now do it. She hasn't been to the hairdressers for over 18 months and no one has laughed yet (then again I don't know what they might be saying about it in Welsh)!

in the hills

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2012, 09:38:39 am »
Here in Powys, most of my Welsh neighbours speak English now. A couple spoke nothing but Welsh until they went to school. We are on the boundary as far as school admissions go between Welsh and English speaking schools. I had the choice of where to send my children and because my son was nearing High school age when we moved I chose to send them to the English speaking school ..... thought it maybe very difficult for them otherwise. The children are taught welsh as a second language right through school and we can all say basic phrases ..... for politeness. The Welsh language is not embraced by all my Welsh neighbours and some have said that they think it is a waste of time that the children are taught it in school and that government is "pushing" the language. Interesting.  ???  A lot of people in this area "swap" between the languages ...... speak a bit in Welsh and then a bit in English. Welsh speaking in this bit of Powys seems to be in "pockets" ..... 4 miles one way mainly Welsh but 4 mile the other English.

Nickie

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2012, 12:10:07 pm »


My wife doesn't have that issue; having decided to downsize it is much more economic if I do it; so after purchasing some scissors and watching a few Youtube tutorials i now do it. She hasn't been to the hairdressers for over 18 months and no one has laughed yet (then again I don't know what they might be saying about it in Welsh)!
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Well if you ever move my way I'd gladly let you have a go at mine - having to go to the hairdressers is such a faff. I have never found it to be relaxing like most women. I put it off as long as possible & make the effort about 3 times a year!


I wouldn't trust my OH though. His attention to detail on anything he's not 100% interested in is really bad. I can imagine how bad I would look. Have you seen that spec savers advert with the shepherd shearing his flock?

Small Farmer

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2012, 02:20:43 pm »
The stats on Welsh speaking are a bit out of date but the BBC suggests that 50% speak the language in Carmarthenshire: the numbers are much lower in South Wales.  I suppose I have a different perspective.  I've visited one part of Pembrokeshire every couple of months for nearly 35 years but I've never lived there.  I didn't learn any welsh then because it really didn't matter.  But as our English speaking Welsh friends and neighbours put their kids through school gradually it changed so now they mostly speak Welsh amongst themselves.  And no matter how nice they are about it it's uncomfortable.

"Little England beyond Wales" was around for a very long time before English incomers started buying cheap property on an industrial scale.  I think the Landsker line has long gone but Welsh is a handy way of excluding the incomers and tourists, intentionally or otherwise. So I think my point stands: as a matter of politeness towards your new neighbours you need to learn some "passing the time of day" Welsh, but to understand what's really going on you have to keep on learning. That effort will be really appreciated because people are really friendly even when it's raining and raining.




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Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2012, 09:37:21 pm »

Well if you ever move my way I'd gladly let you have a go at mine - having to go to the hairdressers is such a faff. I have never found it to be relaxing like most women. I put it off as long as possible & make the effort about 3 times a year!


I wouldn't trust my OH though. His attention to detail on anything he's not 100% interested in is really bad. I can imagine how bad I would look. Have you seen that spec savers advert with the shepherd shearing his flock?


As often as three times a year?  I had my hair cut for our wedding in June 1998 and again for our tenth wedding anniversary.  Since then, apart from a friend trimming the ends when she coloured it for me, it hasn't been touched.  I do trim my own fringe.

I wouldn't trust my OH either but then he is blind so might cut my throat by mistake.   :roflanim:

FiB

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2012, 09:18:37 am »
Its over 80% welsh first language here in Bala - but I can honestly echo others - folk happily speak in english to me but are over the moon whatever welsh I can manage.  10 year old son is now pretty good after 18 months - he went to a intensive language unit for the first term.  He says that the lifestyle benefits outweigh any language difficulties he has gone through.   Wales is FANTASTIC for children so much more freedom is the norm - dont let the thought of the language put you off with children - all the incomer childeren I know (lots!!) are doing ace.
 
If anyone wants to get started with welsh prior to or in anticipation of a move... my OH is learning using the internet (FREE!!!) course - 'Say Something in Welsh' - http://www.saysomethinginwelsh.com/home/ .  It is fantastic - he speaks better welsh than some learners here who have been going to class for 2 years!
 
And as for Haircuts I'm with MGWoM!!!  Im currently on a 5 or 6 year cycle - Grow Grow Grow then get it all chopped off (for free!) for the little princess trust (which makes wigs out of long hair for children with hair loss.   There, 2 plugs!!!

henchard

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2012, 10:32:43 am »
From the census results just released

  • 19% of the Welsh population aged over three said they were able to speak Welsh
  • Able to speak Welsh: 562,016 Not able to speak Welsh: 2,393,825
  • Gwynedd has the highest percentage of residents aged three or over who said they can 'speak, read and write in Welsh (65,900 people, 56%)
  • Source: Census 2011/ONS
The number of people who speak Welsh has fallen in the past 10 years, according to the 2011 Census.
Figures also suggest Welsh is now a minority language in two of its heartlands, Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion.
It was thought that migration trends might lead to an increase in speakers in less traditional Welsh-speaking areas.
But the census suggests otherwise with just a few counties seeing an increase.
The number of Welsh speakers overall has fallen by about 2% from 576,000 in 2001 to 562,000 last year

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2012, 08:05:43 pm »
Wales is FANTASTIC for children so much more freedom is the norm - dont let the thought of the language put you off with children - all the incomer childeren I know (lots!!) are doing ace.
 


seriously - how do english children cope if welsh is the first language? would they not miss out on regular lesson, ie science if they cant understand the lessons? we seriously considered it and still think about moving there. the welsh mountains just do something for me that the scottish ones dont.  you could just image dragons flying over them couldnt u? ha  :excited:

MAK

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2012, 08:33:42 pm »
Difficult one this as despite "home rule" and the Welsh parliament's efforts ( and expenditure), the number of welsh speakers continues to decline. It is unlikeley but if the rate of decline continues then there will be very few welsh speakers in 10 years time.
If few people are speaking a dying language then it becomes harder for children to use what they are being taught. From my experience ( with a different language) there were difficulties and resentment in the home caused by the "need" to speak a different language to the majority of people one came into contact with. Learning a language to use exclusiveley in the home or when you visit family was a waste of time and caused family tension.  I hope this is not the case for those who have moved to Wales and have children learning welsh.
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FiB

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2012, 08:55:10 pm »
Sadly I see Welsh as a struggling/dying language too (not least because of people like us coming in and diluting..)  but a language learnt is never a waste - from what I have learnt about child development, it really helps all round brain development.. and with welsh there are lots of common roots to note with Latin and French as you go on to learn others.  But as my son will possibly want to work and live in a wider world, I'm happy that English is his first language (as it would continue to be for any incomer...even if you had a baby here) but that he will be a bilingual adult.  It will be a struggle for me to get the option for him to take GCSEs in English (he'll probably have to go to a different secondary school), but I'm keen for that to be an option for him. It doesnt matter what the second language is - the skills to pick up a  new one are there.  One thing is for sure I will not be able to get a job in education or public sector until I can speak it so.....Dwi'n mynd ymlain ( I go forward)!!!!  AND its fab here!!!

Small Farmer

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  • Bedfordshire
Re: move to wales?
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2012, 12:53:20 am »
I can really understand the drive that wants to reinforce national identity through Welsh.   My London is a mongrel place so full of confidence that the fact that the English can't afford to live there and it's possible not to hear any English spoken on the street doesn't perhaps matter.  But for Wales, in a joined-up world I'd question the wisdom in teaching a fair chunk of the population in a language that has no relevance to that world.


There's an interesting parallel with Catalonia which under Franco was an industrial powerhouse, ahead of Madrid.  After his death the region became autonomous and Catalan, almost banned under Franco, became the chosen language (with others).  Although not in fact the majority language in daily use it's the language of government etc and is required to be used for all information displayed to the public.  One way and another Barcelona lost its appeal to business, which 30 years on is dominated by Madrid.  The international companies which came to Spain almost always established in Madrid, language being a key component.


Now the recent election has put secession firmly onto the political agenda.  Madrid is going to fight this tooth and nail which is going to impact on any discussions the Scottish Parliament wants to have with the EU on independence.  Madrid will probably vote against Scotland being allowed to join the EU simply because of its fight with Catalonia. 


The more the world shrinks the more people want to belong to something local and the more the national politicians hate it!  Good luck to the Scots and Welsh.
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SallyintNorth

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2012, 06:20:24 am »
I have to agree with one earlier comment though. There appears to be a bit of a relaxed attitude to time keeping & urgency. Many do things 'just in time' or even later than that. I'm still struggling with this one!

When I first moved there, I got caught out in supposedly English-speaking Exmoor.  If you ask a Devonian to do something for you, s/he may say, "I'll do that d'rectly."  Which means I'll do it when I get round to it - possibly this year, maybe not... :D
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in the hills

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2012, 08:51:08 am »
The headteacher of my daughters primary school told me recently that Powys is having a real push again when it comes to teaching Welsh. Her class teacher has just returned from an intensive residential course in Welsh and the head speaks more or less fluently. However, many of the Welsh parents at the school don't support the teaching of Welsh in school for much the same reasons as given by SF. I think I'm correct in saying that in most parts of rural Wales the council is the largest employer and they do at least prefer you to be able to speak Welsh. I am encouraging mine to learn for this reason and also because it is spoken locally, albeit in pockets.

tizaala

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  • Dolau, Llandrindod Wells,Powys
Re: move to wales?
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2012, 09:06:11 am »
Perhaps we English (If we are still allowed to be English)  should push for the re-introduction of Anglo Saxon as our first language ,

MAK

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Re: move to wales?
« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2012, 07:34:21 pm »
What is English then  ;D ? First, second, third of 9th generation immigrant :excited: .

My OH came over with the Norman's and even got a castle thrown in. Unfortunately they had to leave for a bit becuase they got involved in some murder of a bishop but they got back into being "english" before keeping their catholic heads down for a bit. Not sure that her family ever spoke anglo saxon though!  ;D
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