[SheepCrazy!]

I want live export to stop because when things go wrong, there is nothing we can do.

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[Moleskins]

I won't be signing because I object to you're joining the forum just to push you own views.

[Foobar]

I agree with Moleskins, I don't read this forum to be inundated with petition requests.  Perhaps they can be put in a different section?

[Brucklay]

To be fair the post had a pretty clear title - therefore you have the choice not to read 

[SallyintNorth]

To be fair the post had a pretty clear title - therefore you have the choice not to read 

Quite.  I don't mind people posting info on petitions; there are quite a few regulars who do it from time to time and I don't hold it against them!    If anyone started to inundate us inappropriately I'm sure the moderators would take some action.

[SheepCrazy!]

 I breed sheep, I keep sheep and I feel strongly about this subject, I joined this forum to meet like minded people, I'm not hiding in the back ground with a fake name pulling strings I'm defending my views, I introduced myself with a link to my website with an email address.

This is the only e-petition I have put on this site or any other so its not a free advertising.

I have not been rude or discourteous to any other members on there views on the subject I have simply replied to postings on the topic.

I suggest If you don't want to see this post at the top of the sheep page you stop replying on it.
I only reply to this post if someone posts on it.

[SteveHants]

I'm not signing because I think the export of live sheep from Britain to Europe does not pose a welfare risk, any more than transporting within the british isles and it is an important market for a net exporter of sheep (ie the UK).


European abbotoirs have similar regs to us and the exchange of genetics with Europe in breeding programmes may be useful to our industry.


The 'Pakistan' incident that you posted a link to is concerning, but not for a country that doesn't export to the middle/far east - ie us. Its the Austrailans problem and they should deal with it.

[Small Farmer]

I wouldn't drive myself to Madrid or Milan from London.  It's a hideous journey, but then I wouldn't drive to Turriff either and that's only half as far. 


Yes I have eaten a whole leg of lamb in Spain but if it's likely have come from Dundee I shan't again.   A 1500 mile drive to the abattoir is too far for me.  What a splendid way to transmit new and exciting diseases quickly and efficiently


And yes, all the EU standards are the same, but the implementation and enforcement isn't.

[SallyintNorth]

I'm not signing because I think the export of live sheep from Britain to Europe does not pose a welfare risk, any more than transporting within the british isles and it is an important market for a net exporter of sheep (ie the UK).

It is true that the export of British Lamb is very important to farmers.  When we were unable to export our lamb in the FMD outbreak of 2007, prices for lamb fell through the floor. 

However the lamb should be, and as far as I was aware until recently was, predominantly exported as meat, not as live sheep. 

I suspect that the majority of the live export is in fact old ewes and tups, destined for ritual slaughter in abattoirs which do not have to comply with British welfare rules. 

I would love to know some facts here, so that we could all make informed decisions and not have to base our choices and actions on supposition.

[SteveHants]

I had/have a feeling that it was light lambs destined for northern France that made up most of it.

[SallyintNorth]

I had/have a feeling that it was light lambs destined for northern France that made up most of it.

I hope you're wrong, Steve!  How can we find out?

[SteveHants]

I have no idea - They tend to leave from Ramsgate if thats any help. I can't see the problem with the French having light labs though unless I have missed something.

[VSS]

I had/have a feeling that it was light lambs destined for northern France that made up most of it.

I hope you're wrong, Steve!  How can we find out?

No, light lambs definately go for export.

[Small Farmer]

From the NSA today


"Farmers involved in the live export of lambs at the current time report that 45kg ram lambs were making €120 (£96) per head in Holland last week and high demand for store lambs was pushing prices around £20 higher than in the UK."

[SallyintNorth]

I had/have a feeling that it was light lambs destined for northern France that made up most of it.

I hope you're wrong, Steve!  How can we find out?

No, light lambs definately go for export.

Yes, I know that, but I was told they were slaughtered here and shipped as meat.