[northfifeduckling]

now how about talking independence instead of climate change 
only joking 
some of you should ask the industry to pay you a PR's salary  , nice try...nuclear is nuclear and it will not change for the better in our lifetime just because we might want it to. We might just ignore the effects and dangers (you are not the only one repeating yourself) . The lot of you that want it will get what they want, be happy with it. "Our" govenrment sealed the contract. I hope it will make you happy if the lights don't go out - until they do. 

[deepinthewoods]

A study on Czech uranium miners shows that an increased risk of leukaemia is significantly associated with cumulated doses which mainly reflect exposures to long lived radionuclides in aerosol form and external gamma, whereas the contribution from radon to the dose is marginal. The increased mortality is mainly observed decades after exposure and is consistent with estimated internal dose to red bone marrow

[MikeM]

now how about talking independence instead of climate change 
only joking 
some of you should ask the industry to pay you a PR's salary  , nice try...nuclear is nuclear and it will not change for the better in our lifetime just because we might want it to. We might just ignore the effects and dangers (you are not the only one repeating yourself) . The lot of you that want it will get what they want, be happy with it. "Our" govenrment sealed the contract. I hope it will make you happy if the lights don't go out - until they do. 

hmmm, strawman arguments.

[deepinthewoods]

now how about talking independence instead of climate change 
only joking 
some of you should ask the industry to pay you a PR's salary  , nice try...nuclear is nuclear and it will not change for the better in our lifetime just because we might want it to. We might just ignore the effects and dangers (you are not the only one repeating yourself) . The lot of you that want it will get what they want, be happy with it. "Our" govenrment sealed the contract. I hope it will make you happy if the lights don't go out - until they do. 
 
 
you know what nfd im coming to that same conclusion, cointel.

[MikeM]

A study on Czech uranium miners shows that an increased risk of leukaemia is significantly associated with cumulated doses which mainly reflect exposures to long lived radionuclides in aerosol form and external gamma, whereas the contribution from radon to the dose is marginal. The increased mortality is mainly observed decades after exposure and is consistent with estimated internal dose to red bone marrow

and? You still haven't demonstrated why you can't compare deaths caused by coal .

[northfifeduckling]

DITW, they just don't care, never will. 

[jaykay]

April 2006 IPPNW report
According to an April 2006 report by the German affiliate of the International Physicians for Prevention of Nuclear Warfare (IPPNW), entitled "Health Effects of Chernobyl", more than 10,000 people are today affected by thyroid cancer and 50,000 cases are expected. The report projected tens of thousands dead among the liquidators. In Europe, it alleges that 10,000 deformities have been observed in newborns because of Chernobyl's radioactive discharge, with 5000 deaths among newborn children. They also claimed that several hundreds of thousands of the people who worked on the site after the accident are now sick because of radiation, and tens of thousands are dead

And, as you know, the radiation affected Cumbria. I realise that this isn't scientific but in my school of 170 kids, we have had three dads die of leukaemia in the past couple of years and another on his way. These are men in their early 40s who work outside and were doing so when the caesium rained down on Cumbria. It just seems a lot, to all get leukaemia, not other cancers. No doubt it's 'coincidence' but it doesn't feel like that.

[MikeM]

DITW, they just don't care, never will. 

wrong. It's because I do care that I am read up on this subject. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't care. To say other wise is insulting.

[escapedtothecountry]

Err - its not to do with not caring.  Thats playing the man not the ball a bit.  Its the fact.. not an opinion that burning fossil fuels kills tens of thousands on people in this country. Not abroad but in this country. Show me that 30,000 people died from, nuclear power in this country in 2008  and I will agree with you.

[MikeM]

April 2006 IPPNW report
According to an April 2006 report by the German affiliate of the International Physicians for Prevention of Nuclear Warfare (IPPNW), entitled "Health Effects of Chernobyl", more than 10,000 people are today affected by thyroid cancer and 50,000 cases are expected. The report projected tens of thousands dead among the liquidators. In Europe, it alleges that 10,000 deformities have been observed in newborns because of Chernobyl's radioactive discharge, with 5000 deaths among newborn children. They also claimed that several hundreds of thousands of the people who worked on the site after the accident are now sick because of radiation, and tens of thousands are dead

And, as you know, the radiation affected Cumbria. I realise that this isn't scientific but in my school of 170 kids, we have had three dads die of leukaemia in the past couple of years and another on his way. These are men in their early 40s who work outside and were doing so when the caesium rained down on Cumbria. It just seems a lot, to all get leukaemia, not other cancers. No doubt it's 'coincidence' but it doesn't feel like that.

you may want to read this about chernobyl
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/04/04/evidence-meltdown/
 

[deepinthewoods]

so far mike, you have selected to ignore,
depleted uranium,
 the hazards of uranium mining,
the effect of uranium dust on our soldiers and their children,
 the unknown but lethal effects of nuclear fallout from chernobyl and fukushima,
 and the use of the bomb that could potentially wipe out all life from the face of this planet.
 
all to support your point that it is the only viable form of electrivity to keep the lights on. i can only assume that you are here as a cointel pro, and so i have to disengage with you.
 
get real.
 
everybody else who is reading this, do your own research. i hope some of the links ive offered are a start.

[MikeM]

so far mike, you have selected to ignore,
depleted uranium,
 the hazards of uranium mining,
the effect of uranium dust on our soldiers and their children,
 the unknown but lethal effects of nuclear fallout from chernobyl and fukushima,
 and the use of the bomb that could potentially wipe out all life from the face of this planet.
 
all to support your point that it is the only viable form of electrivity to keep the lights on. i can only assume that you are here as a cointel pro, and so i have to disengage with you.
 
get real.
 
everybody else who is reading this, do your own research. i hope some of the links ive offered are a start.

I have addressed each one. Your ad hominem attacks won't change that.

[escapedtothecountry]

On a separate note - nice weather today 

[MikeM]

I've tried to keep the debate rational and evidence based. It's a shame it degenertated as it did.

[jaykay]

Mmm, in my opinion, George Monbiot picks and chooses his evidence and makes unsupported assertions as much as anyone he denigrates.
He has made his 'name' amongst other things campaigning against global warming and he is anti anti-nuclear as part of that.
I therefore don't regard him as unbiased, whereas I don't see that the German physicians' group have any particular axe to grind. They may have, it's just not such an obvious one as GM.