Author Topic: Donald Trump golf course  (Read 18667 times)

Berkshire Boy

  • Joined May 2011
  • Presteigne, Powys
Donald Trump golf course
« on: October 22, 2012, 09:14:17 am »
Did anyone see the programme on BBC2 last night about how the Scottish government has sold out to Donald[I'm not bald]Trump. If I was Scottish I would be very concerned at the ease with which Trump has walked over the SNP.
He is building a golf course that has destroyed an area of outstanding natural beauty. sand dunes that are apparently unique. The Police were an absolute disgrace and looked like they were on the Trump payrole.
Would be interesting to hear what the Scots on here think of it.
Everyone makes mistakes as the Dalek said climbing off the dustbin.

Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 09:17:43 am »
What I think of that isn't printable.

If you ever get the chance, watch "You've been trumped".

http://www.youvebeentrumped.com/youvebeentrumped.com/THE_MOVIE.html

Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 09:33:07 am »
I saw it and it was heatbreaking for those that have a compulsory purchase order, let alone the areas of scientific interest.
It just goes to show that money talks
Sally
Life is like a bowl of cherries, mostly yummy but some dodgy bits

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 11:14:17 am »
The Trumps are scumbags. End of.

Small Farmer

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • Bedfordshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2012, 11:31:17 am »
I was pretty angry by the end.  Of course the film could be one-sided but the refusal of both the Scottish Parliament and Grampian Police to comment was pretty damning.


Trump is behaving like Boss Hogg of Dukes of Hazzard - which was supposed to be a comedy series of the 80s not Scotland today.  One is depressingly used to stupid and venal politicians getting off on the lie of enormous wealth being brought into the region.  The main construction contract being awarded to a contractor from Cork is a case in point: much of their labour will have been their own people, and their earnings will have gone back to Ireland.   


The behaviour of the police was brutal and totally one sided.  Rosco P Coltrane would be proud of them.   


Now that the environmental damage has been done I hope the dune stabilisation work actually gets done, and properly.  Dunes are an immensely fragile environment and notoriously resistant to management.  It would be terribly easy for there to be some cost-cutting.


I wonder where the money has come from.  When I met Donald Jr and Ivanka eight or nine years ago it was clear that their strategy was to project-manage and brand projects as "Trump" but not to put money in.  Ivanka, by the way was the smart and articulate one while Donald Jr was distinctly not.  It's likely that Trump found external investors, and they are likely to be looking at some serious losses now.  Given his previous financial collapse I doubt if even Trump would have carried on investing his own money into the current economic climate.  I mean who are all the tourists with open wallets that are going to visit this golf resort when Scotland isn't actually short of really good alternatives?


Trump is now using the proposed wind farm as a reason not to build the clubhouse and hotel - and spitefully refused to invite Alex Salmond, whose ministers called in the local planning refusal, to the opening of the course.  More likely the finance numbers don't make sense any longer.

Being certain just means you haven't got all the facts

lachlanandmarcus

  • Joined Aug 2010
  • Aberdeenshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 01:21:03 pm »
Im not convinced he ever intended to build the hotel and the windfarm is a great excuse to get out of it, even if he had built it the vast majority of workers would have been cheap overseas workers.
I think the man is an obnoxious bully and thinks he can buy Scotland. So far he has been right, sadly.
I worry than the need to make the figures add up would mean that an 'independent' Scotland  would actually be less independent than it is at present!
What angered me the most was the treatment of councillors who happened to oppose the plans. Very unpleasant witch-hunts.
 

The Mobile Butcher

  • Joined Jan 2010
  • Whitby North Yorkshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 01:52:34 pm »
I watched in disbelief, what a arrogant idiot he is , and so is his son. I was amazed at what antics he was aloud to get away with.
 
 I really felt for the locals and the pain he was putting the comunity through.
Paul - The Mobile Butcher

Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 02:02:37 pm »
I was speaking to someone the other night who had been to the clubhouse, I think - they said it was very nice indeed.

I don't think we should let the Trumps have any further influence over Scotland or the Scots. We are where we are.

Mel

  • Guest
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 06:44:26 pm »
Reading this made me so angry and upset,this is our world of today,nobody else could get planning permission but he can,I think it is obvious why?.It would not surprise me if he was a Mason,illuminati pig!And he obviously is,money,power,tread all over everyone to get what he wants. :rant: :rant:

It is about time we as a people stood up for ourselves against these life leeches,NWO and all the rest of it.Something is going to happen and it shall not be very nice.do you not all see it as worrying that because of his money,he can go to Scotland and kick dirt in the Scot's faces.

I suppose all of the smallholders and the like must in his eyes be classed as living like pigs.Outrageous! Oh what a dreadful pity it would be if his plane just fell out of the sky. :innocent:


:sofa:


Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2012, 06:55:38 pm »
Playground for his cronies from the wonderful US of A, that's all it is.

I don't think he ever intended to build the "affordable housing" that was one of the conditions he got the planning permission for, either. Also - anybody who knows anything about tourism in Scotland knows that there are very few Scottish people working in it - so what was that about jobs for local people, another one of those conditions? When I first moved to Scotland (1997) I worked in a hotel. At least half my colleagues there were foreigners. Then the company (small chain of hotels for coach tours, family owned) got public funding to build another, brand new hotel in an area with very few jobs. Guess what? They had to go to Ireland to recruit staff, as they simply couldn't find enough Scots willing to work in the "hospitality industry" - always hard work and paid peanuts. So if that Trump hotel ever comes to pass, there'll be a new influx of eastern European workers, who these days seem to have a monopoly in Scottish hotels. Somebody has to do the dirty jobs... And unless the pay is way above average (for hotels), no  locals will be doing it, especially not in the Aberdeen area, where unemployment figures are fairly low compared to the rest of the country. And Trump won't pay more, since nobody makes that kind of money by paying the skivvies well.

I'd better stop now - otherwise I'll spend the night on here listing his crimes!!! :rant:

Mel

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Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2012, 07:05:08 pm »
Playground for his cronies from the wonderful US of A, that's all it is.

I don't think he ever intended to build the "affordable housing" that was one of the conditions he got the planning permission for, either. Also - anybody who knows anything about tourism in Scotland knows that there are very few Scottish people working in it - so what was that about jobs for local people, another one of those conditions? When I first moved to Scotland (1997) I worked in a hotel. At least half my colleagues there were foreigners. Then the company (small chain of hotels for coach tours, family owned) got public funding to build another, brand new hotel in an area with very few jobs. Guess what? They had to go to Ireland to recruit staff, as they simply couldn't find enough Scots willing to work in the "hospitality industry" - always hard work and paid peanuts. So if that Trump hotel ever comes to pass, there'll be a new influx of eastern European workers, who these days seem to have a monopoly in Scottish hotels. Somebody has to do the dirty jobs... And unless the pay is way above average (for hotels), no  locals will be doing it, especially not in the Aberdeen area, where unemployment figures are fairly low compared to the rest of the country. And Trump won't pay more, since nobody makes that kind of money by paying the skivvies well.

I'd better stop now - otherwise I'll spend the night on here listing his crimes!!! :rant:
Bravo ;D :hug:

Small Farmer

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • Bedfordshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2012, 07:40:28 pm »
I don't mind people coming to this country to work because that does grow the economy.  But I want them to stay and spend their money here.  If they remit all their earnings back home and/or don't pay tax then it ain't touching the sides.  Great for Poland, lousy for the UK.
Being certain just means you haven't got all the facts

Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2012, 07:50:55 pm »
I don't mind people coming to this country to work because that does grow the economy.  But I want them to stay and spend their money here.  If they remit all their earnings back home and/or don't pay tax then it ain't touching the sides.  Great for Poland, lousy for the UK.

I wasn't trying to say - more jobs for the Poles - after all, I'm a "foreigner" myself! It's just that them always saying "we have to do this kind of thing to create more jobs for the locals" is just so much hogwash. (Apologies to the hogs.)

deepinthewoods

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Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2012, 08:09:28 pm »
hes a bilderberger. suprised?

Ina

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Aberdeenshire
Re: Donald Trump golf course
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2012, 08:49:10 pm »
Had to look that one up - but no, I'm not surprised.

 

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