Author Topic: More Kunekune questions!  (Read 22374 times)

HappyHippy

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Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2012, 10:05:33 am »
The Kunekunes are really prone to hernia's, (especially during castration) due to a weakness in their inguinal wall. So generally speaking they're better to have a closed castration, done by a vet, at around 6 weeks old. BUT there are people who castrate them themselves, at under a week old and seem to get on fine.
For me, it's better to get the vet though. While I'm happy enough to castrate and feel confident & competant with it, I know I couldn't fix a hernia and wouldn't want to be in that position. (Plus Kunekune testicals at under a week old are really tiny - it wouldn't be an easy job to locate them  :-\ we know, cos we did look  ;))
Castrated boars make the best outside pets/long term pigs (no sex hormones or piggy pmt to worry about  ;)) so all of ours who aren't reserved for breeding tend to end up getting pampered lives of riley  :innocent: ;D

I can't feed my Kunekunes for £15 a year, if I could I'd have loads (oh wait, I do have loads  :innocent: :D ::))
They cost me an average of around £65-£75 (for pig nuts) per year, approximately a quarter of our Large Blacks and OSB's growers ration and a sixth of the breeding pigs ration. (I keep threatening to get rid of the 4 big pigs and replace them with 24 extra Kunekunes  :roflanim: but wouldn't really  :innocent:)

Yes, they grow slower and don't gain as much in such a short time as other breeds but they cost less in hard feed to get to that weight (and don't have the same reliance on soya or wheat for protien & growth - usefull when the feed prices are rising and harvests look less than promising  ;)), are gentler on your ground and are very easy to manage pigs. When the grass goes in late autumn/winter (or if they're inside) we give them some silage/haylege (or hay, if we're feeling flush  ;)) to make up for the lack of grazing, they love sugar beet too - but we've got to ration them carefully to prevent excess fat (though now I'm soap making, extra fat is good ! :relief:)

To be perfectly honest - it's my Kunekune herd that pays to keep my big pigs here  :o
The profit from them has allowed me to expand and keep & breed bigger pigs. I know the big pigs should pay for themselves, but with costs as they are they break even or give a small profit £20-£30 per finished pig - and switching to a more commercial, fast growing breed just isn't a road I want to go down (it's just not my bag baby, as Austin Powers would say ;))

sweet_lfa

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Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #31 on: August 08, 2012, 11:27:41 am »

Castrated boars make the best outside pets/long term pigs (no sex hormones or piggy pmt to worry about  ;))


Oh God, do girl piggies get PMT ??? Eeeek!!! How often do they come into season?  Mine have been little angels so far, I can't believe how cute and funny they are.  They seem to be having a great time in their piggy jungle so far and are doing a great job of clearing the land.  Now I've just go to decide what to do with the land when I move the pigs to the next big of jungle??  They also seemed to have given up on their arc in favour of sleeping under the stars (and weeds) on dry nights - is this normal??

PS Anyone who says Kunes don't root should come and have a look at my land  :o   But I am happy as that is what I got them for  :thumbsup:

1 x WB horse, 1 x Sec A pony, 2 x Kunekunes, 3 x Embden geese, 2 x Fawn Chinese Geese, 4 x Dexter Cows, 1 x Springer Spaniel, 1 x Jack Russell, 1 x Light Sussex, 1 x Wellsummer, 2 x Pekins, 3 x ex-batt hens, 1 x pet boyfriend

HappyHippy

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Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #32 on: August 08, 2012, 01:41:34 pm »
Pigs will come into season every three weeks from around the age of 6 months (though it can be a bit earlier with KK's) My pigs do suffer from Piggy PMT - but not all the time. They get a bit more vocal and 'needy' wanting extra cuddles and attention from us or breaking out their fields to try and find the boar  :excited: (though not as bad as someone I know who's little Kunekune sow actually goes through electric fence AND  takes the barn door off to get out to the boar  :o :D) If there's a castrated boar with them I find they tend to take it out on him, poor fella gets harrassed for 3 days by randy girls and he has no clue why or what to do about it - much to their frustration  :roflanim:
Don't worry about them sleeping outside (as long as it's not because their bedding is wet) they'll probably be cooler there than inside.
Yes, they root ! If they're on long, rough grass they'll root it up and once the short, fresh stuff comes in they should (but not always) choose to graze it instead  :fc: I had some which rooted more as youngsters and grew out of it as they got a bit older (mostly  :innocent:)
HTH
Karen  :wave:

Beewyched

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Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2012, 10:23:06 pm »
(though not as bad as someone I know who's little Kunekune sow actually goes through electric fence AND  takes the barn door off to get out to the boar  :o :D )
Tell tale  ;) :love: :pig: :love:
Tunkey Herd - registered Kune Kune & rare breed poultry - www.tunkeyherdkunekune.com

Ladygrey

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • Basingstoke
Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2012, 09:51:11 pm »
Sorry guys, been working 16 hour days getting the silage in, only manageing to come online right now due to the fact silage is finished and we are meant to be doing hay but the weather is too bad  :gloomy:

Robert Im not quite sure what you are trying to get at here  ???

Its like telling a person who milks jersey cows that they could get double the milk yield if only they switched to holsteins.. but obviously jersey cows work for them, they get a higher price per litre and they dont need as much input feed...

I get apples delivered to my house by the trailer load over autumn from the nearby farming estate and from farming friends, price = £0
I get big bale straw and hay price = £0
 I could go on but I dont really see any need, I have a litter of piglets due in a few days and if you are really interested ( and I can find the time) then I will record thier weight's. However it just seems like you want to catch my figures out or something, but there is nothing to catch out

And i know there are many other costs beewyched :)  :wave: I just happened to mention purely the FEED costs, nothing else :)

robert waddell

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Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2012, 10:26:02 pm »
aren't you the lucky one straw for no cost hay for no cost and even apples for  wait for it nothing
in essence your costings are irrelevant and cant be used in comparison with what it actual costs to keep pigs
 
i like the comparison with the cows :roflanim:  but jersey s**t is just as heavy as anyother breed   i say this from years of owning and working with jerseys :innocent: even started a beef herd from them and we bottled our milk as well :farmer:

Ladygrey

  • Joined Jun 2012
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Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2012, 01:44:00 pm »
But I wasn't using my prices in comparison to any other peoples, surely I  allowed to mention how much it costs!? The reason why I don't pay for so much is because I know and work for many farmers and it's called friends helping eachother out :) you should try it sometime, anyway If you can't accept that people do things differently please keep your comments to yourself :)

robert waddell

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Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2012, 02:24:36 pm »
ladygrey your post reminds me of the local farmer that was intervied by the papers when he made his first million       and tell me farmer miller what is the secret of your success           good neighbours and poor fences :roflanim:
 
you may not be comparing prices  but others have   re read the posts
 
the whole point of challenging your costs is not to have people new to pig keeping being deluded by your posts with what YOU can keep a pig  for      even other kunnie breeders have questioned your figures
 
 
it is an open forum my comments are just as equal as yours is     if you cant stand it either complain to Dan  :rant:  or don't write comments that are going to be questioned
 
 
as to friends helping each other out  you know diddly squat about me  and if i help others  or are a taker like a good many i have come across :farmer:

JMB

  • Joined Apr 2011
Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2012, 02:34:55 pm »
Just to cheer you all up, my pigs cost me a fortune.
They're only kunekune's and don't eat much pig food but today I bought them a melon each (it's their birthday, nearly) and a bunch of bananas from Morrisons.
Still need to source cheap fruit and veg.
On the plus side for the pigs, my sheep costs are even more and you can't rub their tummies.
 
Although we re-seeded part of our pig field I wouldn't like to think that my pigs could just survive on that, but then again all my animals are spoiled rotten.
I hadn't thought about collecting acorns though. Thanks xxx
« Last Edit: August 16, 2012, 02:38:22 pm by JMB »

Sylvia

  • Joined Aug 2009
Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2012, 03:05:16 pm »
I don't add up the costs of keeping my Kunes, sheep and chickens but, I believe that this time of year the chickens pay for themselves+ the pigs and that in the winter, the pigs pay for themselves, the chickens and a large part of the sheep + we get our eggs, chicken, pig products and lamb, if not free, then for next to nothing.
We don't make enough to pay the bills, certainly, though we might do if we were more efficient.
You have to have your market for eggs, pork and lamb to break even. That is the hardest work, 'phoning around retaurants, hotels etc.
We are so fortunate in that a restaurant not too far away will take what we have when we have it.

sweet_lfa

  • Joined Jul 2012
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Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2012, 03:28:34 pm »
Just to cheer you all up, my pigs cost me a fortune.
They're only kunekune's and don't eat much pig food but today I bought them a melon each (it's their birthday, nearly) and a bunch of bananas from Morrisons.
Still need to source cheap fruit and veg.
On the plus side for the pigs, my sheep costs are even more and you can't rub their tummies.
 
Although we re-seeded part of our pig field I wouldn't like to think that my pigs could just survive on that, but then again all my animals are spoiled rotten.
I hadn't thought about collecting acorns though. Thanks xxx

Hahaha that is brilliant - you sound just like me!!
1 x WB horse, 1 x Sec A pony, 2 x Kunekunes, 3 x Embden geese, 2 x Fawn Chinese Geese, 4 x Dexter Cows, 1 x Springer Spaniel, 1 x Jack Russell, 1 x Light Sussex, 1 x Wellsummer, 2 x Pekins, 3 x ex-batt hens, 1 x pet boyfriend

harry

  • Joined Mar 2009
Re: More Kunekune questions!
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2012, 07:21:47 pm »
LADYGREY you and me will be lucky this year... last year loads of free apples. left at my gate near a wanted sign...... this year i know of about 20 trees that i got free apples from..... this year 2 have apples on and ive already picked these..... feed carrots are just as bad

 

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