Author Topic: Buttercups...  (Read 28598 times)

smudger

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • North Devon/ West Exmoor
Buttercups...
« on: May 16, 2012, 09:18:16 pm »
I seem to have a lot more than last year. Is it the horse pee making land more acidic or something else?
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robert waddell

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Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2012, 09:25:37 pm »
lack of lime :farmer:

Small Farmer

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • Bedfordshire
Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2012, 10:27:03 pm »
Robert's right
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Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2012, 10:26:01 am »
I have loads of buttercups but no animals grazing the field.  Are they are problem?

Sally
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smudger

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • North Devon/ West Exmoor
Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2012, 11:48:32 am »
Not poisonous when wilted I believe, mildly when fresh (to horses). I would put more in the weed category, not ragwort. Anyway, not good to see.

Applying lime - too late now?  How best to apply. very noticeable in my 3 acre field, but about to put horses and sheep on there this weekend. Other fields getting locked up for haylage though, about 11 acres.  If it involves buying equipment, means it'll have to be a contractor.....going rate for spreading lime?
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robert waddell

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Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 11:59:02 am »
lime is usually supplied and applied by a contractor  normally 2-3 tons per acre   takes a few applications before the pH is restored    you could also do it at a ton per acre per year    you can also get granules that you apply by a spinner    then you need a spinner a tractor and some means of lifting the 600 kilo bag or is it a ton bag 
spring summer autumn is the window of opportunity      it will also require phosphate and potash   and once you have feed it  you will see the big difference  :farmer:

Small Farmer

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • Bedfordshire
Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2012, 02:24:39 pm »
Depends if you want the view or the pasture. 

Pasture tends to become more acid over time, don't ask me why, so plants which can tolerate the acidity (like creeping buttercup) will do better than those that can't.  I don't know anything that grazes buttercup - it may be not be poisonous but so the stocking capacity of the pasture will fall as you lose the better quality grasses. 

It's pretty easy to get acidity testing done.  Samples from several holes should produce a pH of 6 to 6.5, and you will get a check on P and K too.  Lower pH means acid land which you can fix by liming.
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Bramblecot

  • Joined Jul 2008
Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2012, 04:34:53 pm »
 Do they prefer wetter ground?   :-\ We have buttercups in the badly drained part of a heavy clay field, but hardly any elsewhere in the field.  Not in a position to tackle the drainage yet (still spending money on fencing)

Castle Farm

  • Joined Nov 2008
  • Hereford/Powys Border. near Hay-on-Wye
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FiB

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Bala, North Wales
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Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2012, 09:57:27 am »
Know where you are coming from Bramblecote (re fencing and ££££)!!! :o   
How fab is this forum - just came on to ask the same thing re more buttercups this year!!!  I also seem to have more sheep sorrel and speedwell across the fields (closed down for hay at mo).  Is sheep sorrel good or bad (for hay and sheep).  Suspected our fields needed liming and wish we had done it spring.  will have to wait till after harvest now. 

Small Farmer

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • Bedfordshire
Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2012, 12:13:00 pm »
Liming is more of an autumn activity, round here anyway.  A pH test will tell you how much to apply but we needed 10 tonnes last time (1 tonne per acre) and it took a contractor about 20 minutes, mostly opening gates.  Would have taken me a week...
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SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
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Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2012, 01:35:37 pm »
Sorrel is good stuff - you can eat it yourself too, in salads  :yum:
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OhLaLa

  • Joined Sep 2010
Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2012, 01:47:16 pm »
Good link castle farm.
As mentioned on the link, we went for total eradication (i.e. we sprayed the fields) a couple of weeks ago, as we also have more creeping buttercup than ever; despite the fields being topped last year (this plant spreads by 'runners' so it is very hard to get rid of).
The fields are out of use now for a few weeks but every 'weed' including the docks etc are wilting nicely.
 :farmer:

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
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Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2012, 06:45:17 pm »
Two things to say:

(a) remember, particularly if using preparations containing aminopyralid or clopyralid or similar, that any hay made from sprayed fields could still contain active ingredient, which would remain active on passing through the livestock which eat it and end up on - and killing - your vegetable garden.  Always make sure that the manure resulting from the feeding of such treated grass - or from the hay or silage made from it - is put back on grassland and not where you want broadleaved plants to grow.

(b) it's early days, but I can report that we split a field infested with buttercups last year.  One half was ploughed, mucked, and turnips and cabbages sown; the other half had the pigs running on it.  We had a terrible non-crop of the turnips and cabbages (and no I can't be certain there was no muck from stock fed on hay made from grass which had been Grazon-ed!) but that half of the field is now full of rank grasses, reshes - and buttercups.  In fact, it's more-or-less 50% creeping buttercup, just as it was before we started.  The pigs' half is of course rather bare still (the pigs are still on it - I said it was early days for reporting!) but there are still docks to be seen (the pigs don't eat all of these, they can be toxic in quantity to pigs) and so far, nothing much in the way of buttercups.

I will report again!
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robert waddell

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Re: Buttercups...
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2012, 07:26:13 pm »
sally your non show of turnips and cabages    was it finger and toe disease some soils just cant grow them  :farmer:

 
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