[Roxy]

Well, I have been waiting for buds to appear on the triplets - and this morning at long last,there has appeared some tiny buds on the male kid, but the two females have nothing.  They are a lot smaller, one more so, than the male.  Have spoken to the vet this morning, and she said they may only be able to do the male kid tomorrow, as arranged.  But, would prefer to have them all done together, so hoping that overnight the two girls suddenly decide to sprout buds.

At least the kids can have their early bottle in the morning, as going to surgery at 11.  Will be able to wait, and bring them home again once done (or maybe not done in the case of the females!!)  So fingers crossed for sprouting buds overnight.
Have also mentioned to the vet that Carina is now sprouting a small pointy scur, so am keeping an eye on that to make sure it does not grow, and need removing.

[jinglejoys]

This is what happens allowing some beaurocrat in an office who has never handled or kept goats dictating when the kids should be disbudded.They should be done when they are ready not by a set date!...best of luck!

[Roxy]

Yes, the vet read from her "rule book" that they should be disbudded in the first week .....well, they are now 11 days, and as I pointed out, had they come to her at a week old, she would be wasting her time trying to disbud.  Its the same with our pygmy male kids.  They are so tiny, there is no way we can castrate within the first week - we do it as soon as we possibily can, and they have all been absolutely fine.

We will hope and pray all can be done together - its so much better for me, and them.  If they are done separately, the male will be wanting to play with the girls and they will not be up to it, but at least they will all feel drowsy together tomorrow .....we hope.

[colliewoman]

/when I spoke to my vet, he couldn't recommend anyone here that could even do the job as they have only ever done cattle.
There is someone around as the local goat farm gets theirs done, but considering the 50% + scurs or regrowth, I would never put mine through that when I know it CAN be done once and properly. Just got to fid some one before next year who is capable of doing so.
I would rather learn and do it myself so I know it is done properly, but of course we aren't allowed to do that
One day they may start taking goats seriously

[Roxy]

Went to vets but things did not go according to plan.  Vet agreed hardly any buds on the females, and the males were very small, but doable.  Listened to their lungs, and as I knew, the smallest female had a cough.  Vet hummed and hawed about doing her, but finally said yes.

Lifted them out one at a time from their crate and held them for vet to inject sedative into.  She was doing the smaller one first, and said they would put her on oxygen if need be.  Her jabbed put her back in the crate, same with second one, and got male out to do.  As soon as I put the females back in the crate, they were out of it.  This seemed very odd to me, to go so quick.  Male stood on his feet about 20 seconds and he too keeled over, dead to the world.  I pointed this out to the young lady, and commented they seemed to go down very fast.  Next thing she is rushing for the stairs to the surgery and came back with another young vet, and said she had overdosed them considerably and would have to use the reversal on them.  She was undecided how much to use on the kids, but the other vet helped fill the syringes.  All jabbed, and we waited ......then vet said they were all struggling (appeared to be breathing very heavy, but not coming round). Her and the other vet rushed all three upstairs to put on oxygen.

I was waiting by the empty crate 10 minutes later, when the senior vet came in, and I explained what had happened.  By this time I was almost in tears fearing the kids were dead.  Then I heard a bleat, and  was relieved that at least one had made it.  Vet and nurse appeared back with all three,very much alive.

The senior vet advised me leave them until Tuesday, and go through it again, to allowe them to recover.

Hopefully a lot less sedative next time ......it was really frightening to watch, but thank goodness the vet acted quickly.

[katie]

How awful for you.A good job you knew something was wrong.

[jinglejoys]

This is what I mean.Vets haven't a clue yet we are forced to go to them and pay extautionate amounts of money for a crap job to some novice with a bit of paper

[jaykay]

What a nightmare 

[Penninehillbilly]

How horrible for you, I can imagine it was a very long ten minutes, hope you and the kids have recovered OK.

[Roxy]

All seem ok after their traumatic visit to the vet .....they spent the whole afternoon curled up together fast asleep sleeping off their overdose.  I am not looking forward to Tuesday and will be pleased when its over with and they are all safely back at home, minus their buds.

[LouiseG]

The vets I work for in suffolk don't sedate the kids first, they just knock them down with a whiff of general aneasthetic gas and keep them on it just long enough to dis bud and then they come round really quickly and don't take very long to get rid of the gases from their system and are back to normal in no time. It's all over and back to normal in less than 10mins. It may be worth asking your vet if they can do it that way?

I took our first kid into work at 3 days old to be dis budded last month and took me longer to get her back from the nurses than for her to be dis-budded  . I fully understand your difficulty in finding a vet to do it though as only one of our vets does them.

Good luck for tuesday.

[Mays]

omg Roxy I'd of been distraught! serious mistake on vets behalf I hope they dont charge you for putting their tender lives is such jeopardy