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oaklandspigs

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Schmallenberg virus - some useful info
« on: February 26, 2012, 06:16:49 pm »
I went to a meeting on Thursday about this disease, and wrote up some notes.  Those with sheep and cattle that have heard about this virus might find them of interest !
If this is the first time you have heard this phrase, then the following article gives somebasics, but is newspaper language so life is about to end!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/farming/9105880/Fears-of-catastrophe-as-new-virus-hits-farms.html
Key points from the meeting I went to run by Westpoint Vets with ADAS and the NFU
In the audience of 100 or so, of the 6 farmers that had started lambing 5 had deformed lambs. Rate was 5-15%.
There is a large amount of re-absorbsion from data from those that scanned – singles coming up empty, and twins only having singles – anything up to 10%
Lambs born can be stillborn, can be deformed with locked joints making it very hard for the sheep to lamb – one person said she was regularly breaking lamb legs inside the sheep to get out dead deformed lambs so as to save the sheep.
There are also what are called “silly lambs” – born live but with little brain development, so die quite quickly.
Any like the above can be sent free to AHVLA for SBV analysis (they only test for that, they won’t tell you about anything else unless you pay), and are likely to only do the first positive one, then they are not asking for more.  As cases build this may stop altogether.
All you can do for this year’s lamb crop is cope.
As for future, all the following needs a big caveat – this is an early disease, with little history, however bluetongue spread (also by midges) gives us good data from past, and some of Europe is months ahead of us in lamb cycles so have been through it.  There is also excellent cross European co-operation and information sharing.
However the following is best guestimates from informed sources.  So likely to be true, but not guaranteed!
For sheep, once infected they show no signs of illness, but have it for a couple of weeks.  They then have developed strong immunity to it (potentially life long!).  So once a sheep has had it, it should be ok.
For cattle, they show lots of symptoms that are common with other diseases, but similarly they then have developed strong immunity to it, and should the  be ok.
The issue is IF they get infected or have the virus during the first trimester of pregnancy.  Before mating or after the first trimester and the offspring is not affected. (don’t know whether the yoing inherit the immunity, but if meat doesn’t matter, and for future breeding as long as they get it before mating, then they’ll be ok.
Midges are the likely source of infection, and this is borne out by Defra’s modelling of midge vs. Wind and temperature that shows most danger area is where we are seeing the virus.  Midges are active only at certain temperatures, and the likely period when they can affect is march to October, although that doesn’t mean you can relax on November the 1st!!
Parasite control of the flock/herd may reduce spread, but standard fly protection products don’t do midges, you need spot-on.  However you are too late to help this year and see below may positively want to welcome it now, so consider this before using spot-on.  If you use spot-on on a sheep, then it will kill the midge that bites it, but not before it has infected the sheep, and probably not before it has infected several others of your flock – the poison takes up to a hour or so to work,  so at best you might reduce, but would not protect.
A vaccine is 1-2 years away, and probably won’t be needed as by the time it gets here, all sheep and cattle should have got it (and got over it).
If you are in the south then your strategy is that for this seasons lambing, you will have what you have got now, so cannot do anything about it.  If it proves that once infected you get a long period of immunity, and for sheep there are no side effects, then maybe you should hope that all your sheep get infected during this summer, and then they’ll have protection and next year you’ll be ok, as protected sheep don’t produce deformed/stillborn/silly lambs.
For cattle in the south, the same strategy might apply, hope that they get it, that you don;t get too bad symptoms (eg milk reduction) which only lasts for two weeks in any case, and they get immunity for next year.
Those in the south will also need to consider whether they should buy in stock from the north, that will be naive to the disease (not have had it), and whether to do this earlier so that they might/should get the disease before going to ram/bull or AI.
For those outside the immediate area infected this year, it will depend on how quickly midges spread up north from infected south.  If slowly, then you might get several years of uncertainty (there is no live test at the moment to see if stock has had it) as to whether your particular area has got it/your farm has  got it.  I did ask about deliberately infecting stock so that they get it and get over it – and this might be a possibility  if vaccine doesn’t get here soon.
So that’s what I learnt.  In a way you should hope that all the UK gets it this summer, and then with a long immunity the worry will disappear, although we might be vaccinating future breeding stock in their first lambing/calving season to give their young protection.
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kanisha

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Re: Schmallenberg virus - some useful info
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2012, 06:38:56 pm »
Thank you for the information I have to question how they know that lambs in utero are only affected if the ewes are in their first trimester? I assume that this is going on models for other diseases in the same family personally as I am in the band that is likely to be currently unaffected but with midges flying and pregnant ewes the number of cases of affected ewes  in France seems to be rising exponentially and I would question that they were all affected only in their first trimester.....
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thenovice

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Re: Schmallenberg virus - some useful info
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 08:35:49 pm »
Hi, im near the kent/east sussex border. Has anyone in my area been effected yet, and if so how bad? This will be my first year of lambing, talk about timing!  :(

SallyintNorth

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Re: Schmallenberg virus - some useful info
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 09:25:33 pm »
Many thanks for the informative write-up, oaklands.

Much to digest there - but I did have an instant reaction to one thing you said :
In a way you should hope that all the UK gets it this summer
Not for late autumn / winter calving cattle!  :o 

Then I thought about it some more - and I just got more and more glum the more I thought.  :(  I don't think there are any easy answers for cattle, not even up here where we usually have a relatively short midge season.
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Bramblecot

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Re: Schmallenberg virus - some useful info
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 12:06:07 am »
Thank you for the detailed write-up. There are clouds of mossies/midges flying here today by the South Coast - there's no way of avoiding them. 
 I have bought garlic mineral licks each summer, which the sheep were not particularly keen on, but are they effective?  Any thoughts?  And would it be ok to mix the garlic feed sold for horses into a coarse mix for the sheep?

oaklandspigs

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Re: Schmallenberg virus - some useful info
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 08:40:00 am »
The first trimester stuff I think came from lab infection of animals - couldn't write down severything he was saying.

SiN, yes you are right about the cattle, but s'pose the sooner everything gets it the sooner we can get back to normal, given that infection is inevitable, and a vacinne far off.
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kanisha

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Re: Schmallenberg virus - some useful info
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 08:24:18 am »
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21529-vaccine-for-deadly-sheep-virus-is-on-its-way.html

I live in a region of France where BTV has presented a problem and have even last year vaccinated my flock against BTV but I am asking the question even if a vaccine was available for schmallenberg virus and given that it is already here  would I really be vaccinating my flock against it?
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