Author Topic: scottish independence.  (Read 31545 times)

deepinthewoods

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scottish independence.
« on: January 11, 2012, 08:19:35 pm »
well someone had to ask!

it seems cameron has wrong footed alex salmon, is it the time for a referendum?

doganjo

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 08:25:38 pm »
Nope, he hasn't wrong footed him, he has stuck his big foot in where it isn't wanted.  The referendum will take place when the Scottish Parliament think the time is right.
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deepinthewoods

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 08:31:51 pm »
i dont think the scottish parliament has the right to decide that, or am i wrong?

bigchicken

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 08:36:56 pm »
Oh yes doganjo your so right. I ask myself where has this come from what is Cameron trying to divert attention away from. This country is in recession for god sake man get a grip.
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Dan

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 08:44:23 pm »
i dont think the scottish parliament has the right to decide that, or am i wrong?

The Scottish Parliament can ask the Scottish people what they like, when they like. The issue is whether the result would have any legal standing if the referendum question was constitutional, or related any other matter where the power isn't devolved to Holyrood.

Just remember that an independent Scotland would increase the Tories' majority in Westminster by dozens...  ;)

Dougal

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 08:44:57 pm »
I can't help but think that the SNP have thought this process through like a game of chess. Westminster are desperatley playing catch up. Salmond is an old political hand and I think him and his backroom staff have got every move planned and double planned in order to try and steer the process exactly where they want it to go. The vote is always going to be close, who knows which side will manage to sway the result most!
It's always worse for someone else, so get your moaning done before they start using up all the available symathy!

deepinthewoods

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 08:58:23 pm »
a point raised on radio5 earlier was whether the scots would take their share of the national debt, and the answer offered was yes they would.
 also how the armed forces would stand? i know personally that this would leave the sas rather short handed...

Sandy

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 09:08:12 pm »
I asked on FB for a breakdown of for and against without all the crap about past history!! I would love a list of for and against and that way I would be able to make my own mind as at the moment everyone has thier own agenda.

Polititions are bias and so I do not trust them!!

ser3dan

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 09:18:52 pm »
It's not just the armed forces - how about the DVLA, the NHS, tax office and DWP? Would Scotland still be in the EU, or would it have to apply to join? From talking to most of the Scots I work with and have as neighbours, they're happy with the way things are now with enough devolved power to control Scotland, but with the strength and stabilising influence of the union.

Dougal

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 09:33:55 pm »
I'm pretty worried about the fact that i'm hearing nothing from south of the border as to how it will affect the people who live there now, 10 years from now and 100 years hence. How will it affect you all economically, internationally, UN, Nato, G20 etc. How will you pay for the fixed costs of goverment with 10% smaller a population? How will it affect your international credit rating? 70 years from now how will you generate your electric? Scottish Hydro? Sadly so far I've heard nothing which fears me considering this will affect everyone in the UK equally!
It's always worse for someone else, so get your moaning done before they start using up all the available symathy!

doganjo

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 09:38:39 pm »

Just remember that an independent Scotland would increase the Tories' majority in Westminster by dozens...  ;)
;) ;) ;) ;) ;D
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Sandy

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 09:41:00 pm »
I am not too sure about business investment either.....or the breakdown of earners in Scotland but it must be less pro cappita then in England but then again, I do not know. Longannet lost its application to convert to carbon capture and that would have brought a lot to the local economy!!

deepinthewoods

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 09:43:50 pm »
surely the lack of scottish mps in westminster would also have the effect of reducing scottish influence in voting on matters than dont affect them?

Plantoid

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 11:50:56 pm »
 ;D
Rather than waste the money on such things as legally arguing for an independant Scotland & making solicitors etc wealthy
Lets ignore the"  Bray Fart " noises and tell them that Mel Gibson really is an actor &  Wallace actually was a crook .

Why not give it to them for free ASAP , of course they will have to fund their own NHS, benefits and raise taxes but look at the advantage to N. Ireland , England & Wales .. No MOD bases , No scottish soldiers , no benefits , grants . No longer having to finance their  bridges and ferries & bringing the UK government  office systems back into the UK   IE . Cumbernauld .

Cut the power grid & let them build their own systems . There is enough wind blowing around up there in Hollyrood house for zillions of wind generators .

No Scots in the UK's government blethering away  , no Scottish expense claims and no flats /second homes etc etc.
No Scotish trade union supported MP's who have little or no business experience or common sense .
 
Of course when the Scots people come South to the UK  charge them an access /passport fee and road useage premium . Let them provide their own air control systems & build a decent airport .

 We could have a special tax rate on their stuff called whiskey as its only distilled twice and rather inferior to  the Welsh stuff or that single malt whisky from the Bushmills distillery , which is distilled three times and is the nectar of the gods.

Re :-  North Sea Oil give em all a spade and let them go and dig it up anywhere in their 200 mile limit .

 
Of course like the Welsh  , England could charge  all to enter the country as at the latest Severn toll bridge .

 Think how much it would cost the Scots to have dual language road signs & markings then having to teach the people how to read them .

 Then we have all quango &  governmental documents in dual languages costing zillions more .

 They'd also have to withdraw from the UK  parliament and start their own hen house and governmenal systems etc.

 All in all I'd say it just might bankrupt the Scots just like the Scottish Chancellor did to France all those years ago.


Seriously  though .
 All joking aside there are some points in what I've said ................. I think it would be financial suicide for most Scottish people & they have a hard enough life as it is , they don't need more crap in their lives. 
But if they want to go their own way ,they get my blessing so long as it does not cost me any more dosh .

 It does seem to me that a bunch of s**t stirrers are going to hoodwink the population and empire build at their expense  .

I say this sadly , l bet the excellent Scottish education system suffers because of it if independence rules..

The comment about 10 % of population being taken off the UK's  £££ count .. What is the UK's spend on Scotland against what Scotland puts back in the pot of the UK ?  I suspect it is a neat one way journey from London.




 
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Lesley Silvester

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Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2012, 12:07:06 am »

Just remember that an independent Scotland would increase the Tories' majority in Westminster by dozens...  ;)
;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

What a scary thought.

 

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