[RUSTYME]

Nobody knows what is going to happen when the system goes tits up , but go it will , the main question really is when ?
Then things get interesting ! 
Do tptb plunge us into ww3 , as seems very likely now .
Do they implement the new world order they are intent on ? This could also follow after ww3 !
 Does western civilization hit rock bottom and Mad Max appear ?
I for one have no idea .
But the days of wine and roses are about to go , of that i am sure . Can i be wrong ? Yes of course i can , but am i ?
As i have said before , i live as i do out of choice , not out of fear of impending doom .
But if Mad Max world happens i am as ready as i can be .
If it doesn't ,  i just carry on the same anyway .
 There are so many scenarios that it is impossible to account for them all in detail .
 If MM world happens , the last place i would want to be is in a town ! Any town . But i don't live in one , so for me that problem doesn't occur .
I will sit tight where i am and do what i do anyway . But if i did live in a town would i head for the highlands ? No .
I would at least have a basic plan of what to do if tshtf big time .
So many things to think
about , would it be possible to get away by car or 4x4 ? If you went early enough maybe . But where would you go ?
A destination is imperative , unless you decide to sit it out where you are .
Then decide upon how to get to your destination if you are going .
Will you have enough fuel ?
Will the roads be passable ?
Will you have enough food and water ?
And what will you do when you get there ?
The list is endless , but the basics are easy to sort .
Again , do i think Mad Max world will occur ? No , it is just one possibility.
But no matter what does occur , being as self reliant as possible will a least be very handy , at most a life saver .
I am aiming to be as near as possible ,  totally self reliant . That is just the way i choose to live .
It may or may not prove handy . Either way , i enjoy life , and my chosen  path . Everyone should enjoy life and live how they choose.

[bangbang]

Should everything go t*t's up, will the survivors who don't have food, water, etc. not seek out those that do?
maybe they, then become the survivors....?

Having supplies is good, having the means to hold onto supplies I think is just as important.

Bangbang!

[deepinthewoods]

look to the basics first. theres no point in having a gas guzzler with no gas.
at least 3months worth of food, a method of purifying water, a method of supplying heating and cooking a method to provide enough electricity to power a laptop with all your survival information stored on a memory stick. a good medicine chest, antibiotics, painkillers, a comprehensive medical kit. a stocked up seedbox. and gold, more gold. oh and a shotgun with a big box of ammo.
learn the skills of hunting, fishing, veg growing. it the shtf start sourcing food asap, the stores are there for emergencies, ie winter.
 

[robert waddell]

one flaw in your plan DTW the shotgun and ammo    the police are reducing the new licences issued and was one of the points the government were paranoid about     at one time there were more legally held firearms than the army had    all the well publicised shooting horrors were blamed on the tightening restrictions    not so     there are now more guns held than before only thing is it is fewer people that hold them       and when it does go tits up the gun dealers premises will be cleared out by the army     who have a blinding loyalty to obey orders  without question

[deepinthewoods]

i couldnt shoot some one with a gun anyway robert,
 
id use a bow n arrow.

[Simple Simon]

The chances of a major breakdown in public order here lasting more than a day or two are extraordinariy small.  Sure you can get isolated problems - rampaging dairy farmers, perhaps - but it isn't in the culture.  And the UK is substantially insulatd from the big trouble because of Sterling.  The UK continues to be seen by foreign investors as a safe haven relative to most of our neighbours. 


It isn't just the economy but the uk has reliable legal and political systems.   Remember that much of this money comes from bits of the Gulf or Asia where political volatility is standard and has been for decades.  They need places to shove their money, and the US isn't all that friendly.  The alternatives are Sweden (rather small and chilly) France (dire economics) and Germany (err...) now that there are China worries and Brazil is out of favour.  Australia? Time to worry - look at the iron ore price and the vast stocks of steel sitting around.  Russia?  No way.


Watch Greece and the other southern Europeans.  If there's going to be big trouble it'll start there.  Anything here will just be a sideshow.

[rispainfarm]

chance the trouble will spread here then?

[bangbang]

chance the trouble will spread here then?

No, I think your quite safe on the forum...

[Simple Simon]

chance the trouble will spread here then?

I really doubt it.  While it is really hard to see how the Euro gets fixed human nature tends to muddle through.  There's unrest in Greece but most of them don't want to quit the Euro.  Merkel will bend now that the Greeks have woken up to the idea that they need to get their message over to the German people as well as their government.   


France is such a mess, and they've elected a bloke who is going to discover just how much fun it isn't to have total legislative control and only daft policies.   Italy, what can you say?


Stay at home and sing Rule Britannia. 

[MAK]

It may be that we see dramatic changes in our life time but I am not sure that Banks or macro-economics will cause such. A pandemic is possible or even war. Whatever - the bottom line is that the worlds population is too big to sustain it and new technologies for water, food and power generation are in themselves unstainable. It is believed that the population needs to be reduced to 25% of it's current level for sustainability to be achieved. this smaller population would then have to consume less power and re-use metals, plastics, glass etc that was once made from harvesting the earth minerals and fossil fuels. I am not optimistic that a transition or "survival" after such a massive population drop is achievable. Those with no skills or knowledge wil be the mad max brigrade and make survival towards the creation of a new sustainable world very difficult.
I fear that water and food shortages will reduce populations in the poorer natons and precipitate economic collapse in some countries with larger ones surviving longer. Change will happen and one day a small population will adapt and have to live a sustainable life but I doubt we can plan or pre-select who will survive -   

[JFDI]

I agree.  I'm most uneasy about Pakistan and its relations with India.

[deepinthewoods]

overpopulation is a myth.
Overpopulation is a Myth

[Lesley Silvester]

Interesting.

[MAK]

"over population is a myth".
Looks like you posted an US govt propaganda video Dave.
If we did all have an house and yard in Texas then I wonder if then how will we have left the rest of the world. I wonder too how life in Texas would be 
Actually I do know an academic who studies such matters and although she is not on the "global warming brigade" her predictions are a bit grim.
You should now, or will soon, notice the impact of drought in the USA on the price of food stuffs and animal feed. This is now a blip but the frequencey and severity of crop failures and water shortage will get worse. Give it about 50-60 years before a significant international crisis.  Otherwise " Carry on camping" folks.

[rispainfarm]

Where do you find these things DITW. I found it thought provoking and right in theory on some matters. One point is re the fact the distribution of food, some have, some don't train of thought and that will always be the way. Well thinking along those lines in africa, where extremely poverty stricken people go onto have loads of children, this will mean that more and more people will be starving and that number will grow. If they survive, those children will then go onto have loads more children so the ratio of have and have nots will be so unbalanced and that won't ever change I think.  Sink estates in this country are the same - families tend to have more children than those who are better off and better educated. In ideal world and in theory, this video may work but in reality it won't. On that score, that is why in another thread I mentioned I won't give money to aid africa as all we are doing is helping those children who would die naturally and help keep a balance to survive and go onto have more children and maybe cause an even bigger problem years down the line. No doubt someone will shout me down for that thought as it is quite controversial.