[ecohun]

Trouble is you struggle to find an honest politician. Added to this none of them have much power, EU, national or local. The money markets and the multinationals, the 1% call the shots and even they can't control their own system. We seem to be sliding into dictatorship but protests like OWS give me some hope.
As a point of interest Hungarian VAT is going up to 27% and the currency is going down the drain. Good job they can't devalue goats.

Best  Alan

[RUSTYME]

 Well it looks like the German Empire is about to get even more control . Cameron has gone over to get shagged by Merkel as usual (i think she has a bigger d*ck than Cameron , and knows how to use it too ! ) .
 Cameron would get the jack boot in an instant if he were to allow us a referendum , so looks like  we  are well and truly f***ed  . Long live the fatherland !

Cheers Russ

[waterhouse]

Don't agree, except for sure he has a tricky job on his hands.  But Mrs "Mark Antony" Merkel has been talking about saving the Euro for months while not actually doing what needs to be done.  By so doing she has achieved domination over the 17 and is close to getting the treaty changes she has always wanted.  But only close, not actually there.  Now it's our turn to call at least some of the shots.

[deepinthewoods]

all camerons after is to strengthen the financial center that is the city.

[MikeM]

all camerons after is to strengthen the financial center that is the city.

yup, that way we can be ruled by a bunch of corrupt, unaccountable plutocrats rather than a bunch of corrupt, unaccountable eurocrats. Happy days...

[RUSTYME]

Cameron calling the shots  .,.....yes , and then King Arthur comes riding out of his cave to save us too !  Don't think i will be holding my breath either to occur , although Arthurs return is the more plausible ! 
 At least he could bring Merlin along to wave his wand and save the euro !  Mmmmm Camelot and Merlin ! Very nearly Cameron and Merkel , perhaps we are ok after all ? Er nope , scrub that , forgot teacosy , we are shagged !   

Cheers Russ

[Plantoid]

Surely a major part of democracy is the freedom  to choose ?
Yes people died in the war , i wonder what they would think about the way our freedom has been given away to the eu ?

With freedom goes the responsibliity to help keep the freedom to do other things . Opting out is not the way forward. 
Most people I know think freedom is to be absolved of the responsibility to help keep those freedoms.

[RUSTYME]

And being controled by a dictatorship is the way to do that ?   Didn't work too well in the USSR !   

[sausagesandcash]

I always thought that England and Ireland would do rather well together. We do a huge amount of trade with each other anyway. I raised the possibility of joining the commonwealth in the local pub (I live in a very republican area). The general consensus was that if we did our children could be forced to fight for the crown, and that didn't sit too well. Oh what to do!

[MikeM]

we already do live in a dictatorship, and it has nothing to do with europe. Successive govts have been in thrall of big business interests (and none more so than this present shower). When a govt can completely overturn democratic principles like this one is doing with the reform to the planning laws then you can in no way say we live in anthing other than a dictatorship.

[ecohun]

Amen to that Mike,

Best  Alan

[RUSTYME]

Sorry Plantoid , the quote section of your post didn't show on my mobile at first. Scrub what i said , it makes no sense in   context .
I hate mobiles ....lol.

Cheers Russ