[RUSTYME]

While the economy goes into a head first dive into an empty pool , the thieves that run the eu , continue to blatently pay themselves outragious amounts of our money .
 Like nero , they ' fiddle' while Rome burns ( well it is  Greece that is burning at the moment ! ) .   
MEp's get £17,000 allowence for staff per year , £44,000  expenses , and £260 per day extra ex's , plus their wages ! 
 Next time you pay your fuel bill or your taxes , think about those corrupt arseholes laughing at you  while they spend 'your'  money !

Cheers russ

[Rosemary]

Take it you'll be voting "no" to the referendum question "do you want to stay in the EU" then?

[deepinthewoods]

i suspect russ will abstain

[RUSTYME]

Oh i want to stay in the eu ! Why would i want to leave a dictatorship run by a bunch of unelected crooks , or the eu commission as they prefer to call themselves , ?
 : )             

[Rosemary]

i suspect russ will abstain

Abstaining is just abdicating responsibility.

[deepinthewoods]

abdicating responsibility??
some people never fit in, because they were meant to stand out

[Fowgill Farm]

What really annoys me is that everyone moans about the EU, the govt etc but when you ask them "Did you vote" generally you find they couldn't be bothered. If people want to make a difference they have to get out and vote, the attitude to voting at elections in this country(Eu, local or national) is pathetic and it was amazing to see the people of Egypt queueing up to vote the other day something in the past they've never had the chance to do. We have a democracy but so many poeple choose not to vote and make a difference and that really annoys me. We postal vote and its so easy. Men & women of this country fought for us to have these votes so its time there was a major backside kicking gettign people to get off their a**@ses and do something for once in their life.
Rant over
Mandy 

[Rosemary]

Mandy, I absolutely agree. The system might not be perfect but people all over the world are prepared, still, to fight and die to achieve it, as our ancestors did.

I think in Australia you can be fined for not voting.

[RUSTYME]

Surely a major part of democracy is the freedom  to choose ?
Yes people died in the war , i wonder what they would think about the way our freedom has been given away to the eu ?

[Fowgill Farm]

yes democracy is about the right to choose but if choose not to vote don't whinge about what happens in govt eu or national.
I don't like the EU anymore than the next man which is why i voted UKIP at the last EU elections as they were the only party which were nearest to my own thoughts on the EU, you look at the policies of parties and decide which one is the nearest to your own set of values or viewsand you make that choice. Choosing to do nothing is a kop out and the people who do nothing are the worst kind, everyone has a view on something and evn if yoy support the monster raving loonies (have't we all at some time?) vote, stand up and be counted and at least you can say well i di/didn't vote for this and truly have something togloat/whinge about.
So Rusty next time theres a EU election or we get our referendum get off your ass and make your feelings known then as least you will have the right to moan about them.
mandy 

[RUSTYME]

I voted plaid cymru last election , so did get off my arse , and therefore have the same right as anyone to spout off !
However , i have now stepped out of the system almost totally . It is very hard to do though !
Once i am out totally i will then shut my mouth , as long as they leave me alone !

[Rosemary]

Sorry, I don't see how anyone opts out. If you use the NHS, if you use the roads, for me, you're in.

[RUSTYME]

I have not been to the doctors for about ten years ,i don't use a car anymore , and roads i use to walk on are all public rights of way .
I don't have electric or phone line on the land . All my tools are hand operated apart from the sawbench which is run by  a deisel engine that now runs on used veggie oil .
The list goes on but is still incomplete , but i will get there soon . It is a hard life at times , but one i prefer .

[Rosemary]

I have not been to the doctors for about ten years ,

You are, indeed, fortunate. I hope you don't need to use one in the future either.

[RUSTYME]

Not exactly fortunate , i have fused vertebrae in neck and back , i have had a detatched ligament in my knee , plus a few other problems . There are alternatives to the nhs and i just make do the best i can .