Author Topic: my estate  (Read 13104 times)

Dougal

  • Joined Jul 2011
  • Port O' Menteith, Stirlingshire
Re: my estate
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2011, 03:49:28 pm »
I know of many many estates and farms that run to many thousands of acres each. I also know that while most are very well run others are a complete horlics! Perhaps the horlics ones should be turned over to folks like you to make a proper go of!!!

Now i've finished my upright socialist statement I would like to say i've a soap box with space for rental! (capitalism at work ;)) :D
It's always worse for someone else, so get your moaning done before they start using up all the available symathy!

waterhouse

  • Guest
Re: my estate
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2011, 10:56:48 pm »
You will also find that quite a few of us have had to wait until we are in out late forties to set out on this path

Late fifties, I'm afraid

shearling

  • Joined Mar 2011
Re: my estate
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2011, 08:20:19 pm »
Yup and the same goes for a bit of garden too. The main thing is there is not one way.

- my way may not be your way (same as my shoes are not yours)
- your dreams and pleasures may not be mine (although sometimes they might be close)
- my frivolities may not be yours...etc

However, this is a brilliant site to network, learn about stuff you need to know, what you didn't know you should know, and stuff you do not need to know but might help in the future!

Latest estate news is: roof on house is now secure and did not flood in today (yup we have it in the south too). Would love to hear more estate news - pot, box, balcony to island sized





I know of many many estates and farms that run to many thousands of acres each. I also know that while most are very well run others are a complete horlics! Perhaps the horlics ones should be turned over to folks like you to make a proper go of!!!

Now i've finished my upright socialist statement I would like to say i've a soap box with space for rental! (capitalism at work ;)) :D

MelRice

  • Joined Jun 2011
Re: my estate
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 08:53:59 pm »
We ran away even further ! We were looking for a year or so at the sort of thing we could get in exchange for our house + endowment that was due to mature soon. We looked at The UK, France southern Italy, Bulgaria.The Cezch Republic and Poland. MY OH worked with a few Poles and they sugested eastern Germany (the nearer the border the cheaper) He recomended the prices and mature infrastructure as the best place to go...and here we are. £26,000 is all we paid(no I havn't missed a zero off!) We live off OH's work pension, the rent from a small property we bought in the UK and a tiny job that I have teaching English.

All the Kids had left home and we were the ones who went to see them...now its just a bit further!!! 15 hours or so by car.(11 to the chanel) They make more of an effort to see us, make it into a proper holiday. And theres always Skype. Whatever you do enjoy it whilst you are doing it. You only get 1 life so make the most of it, good luck to you.

Millwood

  • Joined Jul 2011
  • Oxfordshire
    • Millwood Market Gardens
Re: my estate
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 08:57:22 pm »
I have to say I feel very humbled by all your hardwork to get to where you are; and that really I have nothing to moan about on our 'estate'! We really landed on our feet, our 3acres was in my husbands family, just sitting there doing nothing except playing host to a fireworks night once a year. Subsequently its been signed over to us as our inheritance, and we recently inherited the flat where we live (tho not on the land, is a 6min cycle ride away.) Consequently we are in our late 20s/early 30s, with no morgage, no land rent, and since of last year I gave up my work as a full time gardener to set up our own market garden business. Reading your posts makes me realise how truly lucky we are, and what an opportunity we have; I don't mean to rub it in honestly, it's just realising how hard people work to make their dreams come true & holding down full time jobs etc. it makes me re-evaluate all the little niggles and things that bother me on our plot, it will sort itself out with time. So thanks for the reality check! :-*
Chooks, ducks, pigs, Bertie the tractor & loadsa veg!
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benkt

  • Joined Apr 2010
  • Cambridgeshire
    • Hempsals Community Farm
Re: my estate
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2011, 10:57:48 pm »
Most days I still can't believe that we've been so fortunate to get to where we are. We're just making plans for a party to celebrate one year since we bought this place at auction. Following a common pattern, we sold up our small but sensible house and managed to buy outright a wreck of a place with six acres. It was too structurally unsound to get a mortgage against and there are travellers nearby which also helped to keep the price down - fortunately though we've had no trouble from them.

We are very fortunate to be in our early-, ok, mid-thirties so our young children get to enjoy growing up on a farm. My wife looks after the kids and does a little bit of evening work whilst I work the farm and hold down a part-time job. Money is tight, but we don't need much of it so its not much missed in the end. We've discovered that in most cases its a lot easier to not spend money than it is to earn it.

I guess where we differ from most here is that we've set the place up as a community farm, getting twenty other families to help pay for the running costs and sharing the produce (and some of the work). Perhaps you could see it as somewhere between a normal smallholding and the intentional communities Sally linked to. For me, its perfect  ;D


Sandy

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Re: my estate
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2011, 11:21:42 pm »
I agree that you can only get true freedom if you are very rich or very poor, I am neither but  understand money and how it effects the quality of life. If you have to scrimp and save you certainly appreciate what you get!

oink

  • Joined Feb 2009
Re: my estate
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2011, 10:07:02 am »
Hi Dougal can I borrow your socialist soapbox?

I just looked up the figures and apparently in Scotland 103 people own 30% of the land and in Britain as a whole 0.6% of people own 69% of the land.  Bring on the revolution I say.  We could call it the British spring!  I'm sure small holders are a more varied, efficient use of land than super monoculture farms.


Rosemary

  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Barry, Angus, Scotland
    • The Accidental Smallholder
Re: my estate
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2011, 10:30:01 am »
I can't comment on the UK figures, but I suspect (and am happy to be corrected if anyone has the actual data) that a lot of the 36% of Scotland owned by the 103 people (if they are people as opposed to companies, the Crown and pension funds) is in Highland estates. Not fabulous smallholding land, generally, but the shooting does provide work for local people and income to the local economy.

I'm afraid just another example of how different Scotland is to England (not better or worse), and why we need our own governance. The stats below are some I gathered for a magazine article.

"Scotland has a land area of 7.7million hectares. Of that, only 8% is urban (compared to 21% in England); 67% is grass and rough grazing (36%); 7% crops and fallow (30%); 17% forest and woodland (8%); 2% other agricultural land (5%).
The population is 5,168,500 and rising – 8.5% of the UK population. There are, on average, 65 people per square kilometre (compared to 400 in England) and about 25% of the total Scottish populace lives in the Greater Glasgow conurbation, with much of the rest living in the Central Belt.
Around 86% of all the agricultural land in Scotland qualifies as “Less Favoured Area”, with much of that classified as “severely disadvantaged”. In the European Union, less-favoured area (LFA) is a term used to describe an area with natural handicaps (lack of water, climate, short crop season and tendencies of depopulation), or that is mountainous or hilly, as defined by its altitude and slope. Thirty five percent of agricultural land is in what was Highland Region, with 11% in Grampian and 10% in Tayside. Most of the “good” agricultural land is on the East coast – Grampian, Tayside, Fife, the Lothians and parts of the Borders. "

doganjo

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Clackmannanshire
  • Qui? Moi?
Re: my estate
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2011, 10:48:57 am »
Rosemary - a graph of those figures would be very interesting I think.  Could you do that?
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

waterhouse

  • Guest
Re: my estate
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2011, 05:03:59 pm »
Could you please take back the Scottish banks....

shearling

  • Joined Mar 2011
Re: my estate
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2011, 05:28:17 pm »
Could you please take back the Scottish banks....

Sorry do not understand?

shearling

  • Joined Mar 2011
Re: my estate
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2011, 05:36:43 pm »
Very true. Also applies to waiting. For, example an allotment too few around and not enough people having access to their bit of earth who would like to. I have been very encouraged and excited by the number of schools in the UK who now give pupils/students a veg plot and keep choocks. Some I know of also keep sheep and the odd pig. Sometimes these are purely for making courses practical but a good number also use them to help young people get a feel for the land and animals.

I agree that you can only get true freedom if you are very rich or very poor, I am neither but  understand money and how it effects the quality of life. If you have to scrimp and save you certainly appreciate what you get!

shearling

  • Joined Mar 2011
Re: my estate
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2011, 05:39:20 pm »
Trouble is I am a bit of a loner and rather unsocial, so not for me. But, it makes good sense and I am glad for you and yours.

I guess where we differ from most here is that we've set the place up as a community farm, getting twenty other families to help pay for the running costs and sharing the produce (and some of the work). Perhaps you could see it as somewhere between a normal smallholding and the intentional communities Sally linked to. For me, its perfect  ;D



OhLaLa

  • Joined Sep 2010
Re: my estate
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2011, 06:03:45 pm »
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I have been doing my sums and cannot figure out I could ever afford to have the lifesyle that I aspire to.

Work hard running your own business, be fortunate enough for that business to be successful - or marry someone well off enough to be able to buy it for you.

 :farmer:

 

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