[princesspiggy]

apart from using panomec injections ( im not a fan of needles  ) what topical powders can u use that work? would a general lice powder work?

[Berkshire Boy]

I don't find lice powders very good. You're best bet is a ivomectin pour on if you don't do needles. Kills internal and external parasites.

[HappyHippy]

I'm not sure there is a topical treatment available which works as effectively as the injectables  
I'd be tempted to stick with the injectables to be on the safe side.
Especially if you're breeding (mange in piglets can be fatal) time to practice your lunge, jab and run routine  
Seriously though, it's not too tricky once they get their head in a bucket of feed, they hardly notice it and it's definately worth being competant with the jags (saves a fortune in vets bils too  )
Karen  

[JulieS]

I agree, injections are the most effective.

I invested in a Masterject.......Definitely worth the money.

[Berkshire Boy]

Masterject is no use for ivomectin as it is injected subcutaneously and not in the muscle. The pour on works just as well as the jabs.

[supplies for smallholders]

apart from using panomec injections ( im not a fan of needles  ) what topical powders can u use that work? would a general lice powder work?

Hi Piggy,

Louse powders do work - maybe not as effectively as an injectable, and may need repeat applications, but if that is the way that is right for you then give it a try.

Thanks

[princesspiggy]

well i dont mind stabbing em in the behind, but the subcutaneous (for panomec)[ under the neck are a bit trickier. what is a masterject?

would it just be a standard lice powder?

[JulieS]

I use Dectomax, so Ok for use with a Masterject.

A Masterject is an 'injector' with a handle so that you just press it against the rump of the pig and it automatically injects.  There is also a longer handle that you can use with it so that you can stand further away too.

I find it works well because the pig doesn't know what is happening so isn't stressed.  Really easy to go around the whole herd at one meal time with wormer. 

[Tiva Diva]

I use a 1 metre i.v. extension set between the needle and the syringe: that way it doesn't matter if the pig moves a bit while you're injecting. Good for large(ish) volume injections. You can buy them on-line.

[princesspiggy]

so dectomax and mastaject is intramuscular?
does anyone else inject subcutaneously under the neck (thats what my vet recommended for panomec)
atleast at the arse there are no teeth lol 

[HappyHippy]

I do my sub-cut jags behind the ear, pointing downwards and backwards towards their shoulder (hope that makes sense) not under the neck - that would be a b***er at feeding time 
Ivomectin, Noromectin, Dectomax - there are loads of different wormers (and names for them  ) for external & internal worms.
The masterject is a big fancy device used to administer the jag (I was put off by the 'woosh' noise it made in the video for it) It's serious heavy duty jagging  but ideal if you've got lots of pigs to do or want to do it at a distance.
If you google it you should get a link somewhere for the video of a guy using it on dairy cows - but I've not actually used one so can't tell you much about it.
Good luck 
Karen x

[princesspiggy]

thanx

[supplies for smallholders]

Hi Piggy.

Just read the title of the post again and noted that you are talking about prevention rather than treating a problem??
 
Just curious as to why? do you have a problem with external parasites historically?

My point is that if we wanted to prevent every scenario and pig ailment then we would forever be injecting.

Like worming, it may be better to wait until a problem rears it's head rather than chemicals for the sake of it.

Im sure there are other views...........

[princesspiggy]

well, im trying to do things the right way (with animal health saying u should have a plan in mind for preventative healthcare, with ur vets advice)so they are supposed to be dosed for internal and external parasites every six months.
last year dorothy lost her hair, which after giving her panomec injection, grew back. this year she is losing it again and to be honest i dont like injecting sub-cutaneous. but she needs treating with something. no lice to be seen, but we do have midges and she is itching, and a bald pig doesnt look too good when people are visiting.
i went to harbros today to get some "pour-on" to find out the dont sell any wormer for pigs at all except herbal remedies, and were reluctant to let me have panocur solution as its not licensed for pigs (although i was told by a vet to use it. my vet also supplied the panomec)
i ended up with lice powder but it is pretty windy up here so whether it will work i dont know.
the piglets are due to be wormed at weaning next week so il use panancur solution, is it twice the dose per kg than for sheep, i cant remember.
where do u get pour-on wormers from? is it the sheep/cow version on the shelf, or is it from vets? im still waiting for vet to get back to me so i thought id ask u guys!

on another note, i saw deosect for sale at shop for £30...hhmmm...my vet charged me £90 for 2 bottles 

[HappyHippy]

I buy my meds either from Holmefield Farm Services in York or Vetmeds direct http://www.vetmedsdirect.co.uk/ in Livingston (I think) vet meds is quick and great service, Holmefield is good if you have a query you want to ask a pig vet about. Vet meds have a huge selection of ALL kinds of stuff - stuff you never even knew you needed 
My Kunes go through phases of losing hair (it seems worse in summer when it's hot) and I now know that Mangalitza's (most of them) moult in summer too - so it might not be a parasite problem ? Just regular Tammy behaviour ? A worm count would definately be the best idea I think - you never know, it could save you a small fortune on meds 
Karen x