Author Topic: In light of recent global events.....  (Read 22613 times)

RUSTYME

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2011, 05:29:14 pm »
 I don't know why Annie ? ... I am deadly serious !!!!! ;)  :D :D

cheers

Russ

doganjo

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2011, 05:31:05 pm »
 ;)  Yes, I know you are, Russ.  If TSHTF I will stay well away from your place - don't fancy getting a bum full of buckshot  ::) ;) ;D ;D ;D
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2011, 05:36:07 pm »
 s'ok Annie , I will only shoot anyone that's after me sprouts ....  :o ;) :D

cheers

Russ

doganjo

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2011, 05:37:40 pm »
Ah well, but if you have good sprouts you may have a lot of folk after them  ;) ;D
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2011, 06:23:53 pm »
Russ, I am sure you are a figment of my imagination!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 

Bugger  !!!! All these years I thought I was real ....and it turns out I am just a filament of someones illuminations !! ::) ::) ::)
Oh well , on the bright side ( extra filaments) , it doesn't matter if the world does end today !!! speaking of which ...only about 6 hours to go before Elenin does her stuff !! :o ;) ;) ;D ;D

cheers

Russ

knightquest

  • Joined May 2010
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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2011, 08:04:10 pm »
I love the life you lead Russ. I'm sure we strive towards self sufficiency to that level on here.

One question though, if a tsunami struck, are you high enough to survive a twenty five foot surge?

My thoughts were more basic regarding surviving the initial impact/earth quake and tsunami. I thought about getting to high ground (in Birmingham, we are as far from the sea as we can be) and we have a shop which is as high as anywhere around. We stock loads of 15kg of dog food so they would be sorted. So I was thinking of tinned food, communication equipment, a generator and a sharp knife. At this point, I will have to add a long bow!  :D I used to be a toolmaker so can turn my hand to making most things so .................anything else?

Perhaps something to read...................Blair/Camerons/Cleggs memoirs? Not read, BURN  ;D

Ian
Ian (me), Diane (my wife) and 4 dogs. Ollie (Lab mix) , Quest (Malamute), Gazer and Boris (Leonbergers)

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2011, 09:24:18 pm »
 hello Ian ,
               the land is about 960 feet above sea level , so it should be out of reach of most tsunami's . Being 12 miles from the sea was a bit of a worry , but there are many hills between me and the sea plus some of the area is higher between the two as well , so all being well ...I'm ok !!!!
 Being a tool maker is perfect mate .. as you say you will be able to make whatever you want really . But if you have a lathe remember that the genny will need to be capable of running it and you will need enough fuel stored or a way of growing it ie sunflowers etc. You could also think about a water wheel in a stream for power , that would run a lathe plus you could use car propshafts+scafold poles to connect if you had any distance to cover.
 Communication gear is out of my thinking really . I have said to family , if anything ever did happen , just make your way to my place . They wouldn't have any mobile form of coms so there would be little point in me having any here.  I would think CB radio would be the easiest to set up . I never got into it when it was the IN  thing , but you can get a complete set up for about £70 now . That would be easy to keep up and running as it will run direct off of 12v car batteries , all assuming that a pole shift doesn't wipe all batteries out ? Not read into that one at all yet  !!!
 I live in a very rural area so doggie food is easy to sort . Sheep, cows , bunnies  , whatever . Although I don't hunt , I have done in the past , and could easily do it again , not sure what it would be like in Brum though ?
 I  have mentioned things like hemp for sacking and string and rope etc , linseed for yarn and cloth as well as oil from both , even cotton for cloth . But for foot ware you really need to think of leather . I know if it was a terrible disaster with loads of dead people around you could collect loads of shoes ... but if there was more than a few days since you finding them and the time they died ....putrid feet in minging shoes ...yuk .. I think I would give that a miss. No , read up on curing cow hides, sheep skins etc. You would also need salt , loads of it . so either buy loads in .. or you can collect it from the sea .
I did this years ago to see if I could get enough to survive on ( I did it after watching Survivors in the 70's) , I got loads . I just collected buckets of sea water and made a flat area on the sand , covered it in thickish black plastic and poured the sea water into this . It was summer , so the shallow water , about 1/2" , evaporated very fast . All you do is keep topping it up . The water evaporates and leaves all the salt on the plastic . Just let it dry up every now and then , and tip the salt into containers , job done , you get loads of it .
 If it needs cleaning , you just add clean fresh water to it and let it evaporate again , carry on till the salt is clean ... simple as that . I think I got about 12-15lb over a weekend .
 To tan the hides/skins you can do it with chemicals if you have them , but most are really nasty , so go the natural way , brain tanning ...google it for details also loads of vids on youtube on how to do it .. very simple again .
 You then have leather for shoes, boots , clothing and horse gear.
Also if you keep bees you get wax for preserving the leather along with some oil that you have grown .
 For tools , you can use car coil springs heated and straightened out , for cold chisels woodworking chisels , punches and loads of other tools . Flat springs will make good froes , draw knives , and plane blades , they also make good knife blades that hold an edge well.
Torsion bars are good steel to use  as are half shafts , they make good hammers. Talking of which , a good trip hammer would be handy too . You can get plans for free on how to make one on the net .
 
The books could be used for bog roll ??

cheers



 Russ

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2011, 11:53:28 pm »
I hadn't really thought about tsunamis hitting the UK till fairly recently , but it seems they are more likely than I had thought.
 So many disasters could hit us , but I think it is man that is more likely to cause problems that we may face . Although things like solar flares knocking out electricity stations etc and other essential technology that we depend on , could hit us very hard and very fast .
 I think you need stuff that would get you through the first few weeks of a disaster , kept safely where you can get it easily if need be.
You need to think of water first .... water from the tap may be one of the first things to stop . So a way of filtering water is essential . You can buy all sorts of expensive crap , but good old sand and gravel will do the job almost for free , time being the only real cost. Once filtered, any rain water , or as clean as possible source , can be used to wash clothes if need be , as is . But if you want to drink it , it has to be boiled first .
 So next on the list is fuel for cooking/boiling water . That will be whatever you have around you . Gas in bottles , or wood or coal , dependent on where you are .
 A good basic first aid kit , plasters , bandages ,germolene , detol , aspirin ,paracetamol ,ibubrofen ( tabs + gel) + a needle and thread ( a curved needle works best !!) . If you are blind like me , a spare pair of specs would be handy .
   Next would be whatever type of food you eat that will last a few weeks , so dried or tinned .

 The above would be for emergency get you by type things , if you were at home .  If you were outside , the list grows ... you need a tent , one that can be carried easily . Sleeping bag , camping cookware and eating utensils . Good outdoor clothing and waterproofs , and good walking boots.
 The list can go on as long as you want it too really . But if you are on the move , you have to be able to carry it all in a rucksack , so keep the weight to a max of 80lbs for a man and about 50 or 60lb for a woman . Sorry ladies , not being sexist there , just that most men can manage a bit more weight than the girls can .
 
 It is hard for me to think of all the things needed in such a situation , as I have everything I need already really . But that only applies if I am on the land where I am set up . If I was on the move , I would go as light as poss . Just the clothes I stand up in , a knife , and sort out from there.
Shelter , for example , would be a plastic bag and squeeze under a hedge somewhere . Food whatever I could find or catch . It all depends on circumstances really . But whatever comes along .... I won't give in without a bloody good go at surviving , all assuming I don't pop me clogs in me sleep tonight  !!!! ::) ::) ::)


cheers

Russ                       

bazzais

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2011, 06:35:54 am »
If you think about the catastrophic events that happens throughout the universe - we have quite a safe planet to live on :)

I find it best to try not to think about scenarios like this happening to me at all.  Also in light of the situation what can I do anyway?

That said - My thoughts go out to anyone who has to watch their family suffer.

Baz

deepinthewoods

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2011, 07:52:40 am »
what about lightning storms rusty, maybe a hat with an earth wire? ;D

Fleecewife

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2011, 12:02:57 pm »
Cotton here?  Waste of time, resources and effort when you have plenty of sheep with a free crop of wool on their backs which regrows every year. Wool is much warmer in winter than cotton, cooler in summer and requires minimal effort to work, unlike cotton.

Russ - the only point I can see in your survivalist approach is if you have children with you to carry on.  On your own you're a dead end.
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

 Love your soil - it's the lifeblood of your land.

faith0504

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2011, 12:27:22 pm »
RUSTYME you are AMAZING,  :-* :wave:

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2011, 12:55:05 pm »
OMG , I hadn't thought about lightening !!! must get a static strip fitted to me boots !!!
 Cotton , a waste of time ? Well maybe so , but the thing is I am doing what I am doing because I want to ...NOT because I think the end of the world is about to happen . This is just s discussion about 'what would you do IF ?' 
 I just want a different way of life to the consumer, buy everything type lifestyle, that is the norm in the UK . It's fine for those that want that way  ( although completely unsustainable and they will soon find that out !!! ) , but I want a different life , where I can grow clean food and make my own clothes , without restrictions or poisons being fed to me , and the scientists telling me that it is perfectly safe to have mercury and lead injected into me as well as my food  etc etc etc .
 
If you were thinking of cotton as a commercial product in the UK , yes it would be a waste of time , but how is it a waste of time for me to grow it ? I sow the seed, it grows , it flowers , I spend a few hours picking the cotton bolls , then I spin it !! not labour intensive really . Plus I don't have the land to have loads of sheep for wool . I will be getting a few as I do want 'some' wool . But I will be growing linseed also, so even if the cotton doesn't work out , I will have that as well .

As for the dead end bit ... yep quite right ... so do I go and throw a rope over the nearest branch and swing ? Dead end or not , it would take a good few peeps to get me into the noose , I will only leave this planet kicking and screaming , I will not just lay down and give in, no matter what .
However , I have nieces and nephews who have kids of their own , and it is my duty , (if nothing else)  to help them in any way I can . My family is the one thing I would lay my life on the line for , I owe it to them , out of love , to do the best  I can , and that I will do . ( Apart from anything else , if I made the rope out of my own home grown hemp , it would probably just snap anyway ....and rope burns really sting ...)  ::) ;D ;D ;D

cheers

Russ

doganjo

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2011, 01:12:20 pm »
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I will only leave this planet kicking and screaming , I will not just lay down and give in, no matter what .

Like your style - totally in agreement with you!
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

robert waddell

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Re: In light of recent global events.....
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2011, 01:24:23 pm »
the biggest hurdle that i see in your organised plan       if the recent events were to happen closer to home      is the hight that you are retreating to     when Chernobyl wet bang it was the high areas with rainfall that were affected and still are(according to some expert that was on the telly)       Scotland the Denny hills and parts of Dumfries  and Galloway cumbria and parts of wales were all affected by radiation fallout (and more instances of cancer at lower levels)      and it is a big if   if the men and women in white jackets were telling the truth in the first place about the level of fallout?????
so if you survive the radiation then you have to amass the trappings of modern engineering   as you have indicated     fuel ,generators ,lathes,smelters etc etc o and sand for the moulds with the chemical required to cast first time
as for me i don't give a flying stuff what happens we can do sod all about it till the revolution
and to quote a departed friend of my mothers(when diagnosed with cancer)      every day is a blessing :wave: :wave: :wave:
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