[mellowyellow]

Hi, i went to a local horse sales yesterday and i stumbled across a old farm cart without any shafts on 
I asked to person selling the item where was the shafts and was told to cart was never used with shafts he just used it with a coller and traces 
Now i was completley confused and did'nt want to question the guy so i walked away with the cogs turning in my head lol.
Surely all carts need shafts or do they I thought the shafts give the cart movability ie direction
Now i'm new to the driving world have i stumbled across something new here   

[Hardfeather]

He's having you on, I think. 

[Blinkers]

Haha.....early April fools joke I would say 

[daddymatty82]

when a horse pulls some thing then it dont need shafts look at logging for example just for offroad work it could be possible to not use shafts  so may not of been a joke i know iv pulled a landrover and a trailer around a field muck spreading with no shafts

[Hardfeather]

You could pull just about anything with a horse in a full collar with traces onto a swingle tree, but it would have to be on fairly level ground, particularly if the load was wheeled, as it would run into the back of the horse when going downhill.   

The description 'farm cart' has me thinking this would be a two-wheeled vehicle. It would be impossible to balance and pull such a vehicle without shafts to the driving saddle.

If it was a four-wheeled vehicle, it would involved weight loads to some extent, which would  have to involve brakes and bods to apply them. 

Either would be very unsafe things to try even before H&S.

I don't suppose we could see a pic of this object, could we? I've just bought a new hat...I would hate to have to eat it.

[mellowyellow]

You could pull just about anything with a horse in a full collar with traces onto a swingle tree, but it would have to be on fairly level ground, particularly if the load was wheeled, as it would run into the back of the horse when going downhill.   

The description 'farm cart' has me thinking this would be a two-wheeled vehicle. It would be impossible to balance and pull such a vehicle without shafts to the driving saddle.

If it was a four-wheeled vehicle, it would involved weight loads to some extent, which would  have to involve brakes and bods to apply them. 

Either would be very unsafe things to try even before H&S.

I don't suppose we could see a pic of this object, could we? I've just bought a new hat...I would hate to have to eat it.

I really think this guy was genuine, i wish i took a pic now but at the time i thought it would be a bit cheeky to take a pic if i had no interest in it.
This cart had four wheels, having looked on the net iT looked like it was used to pull logs, even though there was a seat at the front

[Blinkers]

Hmmm....then I guess with 4 wheels it would be OK to a certain extent (at least it would turn on a turntable), but would need a driver in order to operate a brake of some sort.    As previous post suggests, might be OK on very flat ground