[robert waddell]

todays news is tomorrows chip wrapper

[robert waddell]

sorry it is not a book but a classic t v serries

[RUSTYME]

yes you are right LB , some people do think they are above or better than others. I am not one of those as I know only to well well, I am a complete prat ...
 But .. the government 'do' hide things that we should know . I don't mean things that could get people killed or nations wiped out , but fundamental things .
They also 'do' try (and are succeeding) in taking more and more control over our everyday lives ..is that not fact ?
 The dark forces are in my opinion , just people , some would say evil people , but people none the less.
Do these 'evil?' people not exist ? Well yes they do ..another fact .
 I only state things are facts when I have checked out , as much as I can , from other sources , that they are 'fact' . Is it not fact, that your birth certificate is the person, and not the human being that is you or me ?
I know they have stolen the word 'person' and use it for a particular reason . But none the less , it is 'fact' that the 'person ' is the certificate .
 Some journalists do state things are facts when clearly they are not , just as some (many) police 'officers'  state that some things are law when they clearly are not .
 I put on  links showing a clip about subjects , and sometimes they are by over the top people like Alex Jones or even Jesse Ventura.  . But just because they are over the top , doesn't make them wrong !! it just makes them annoying . But all I do is what everyone else can also do , I check it out . I don't just believe what they say because they say it , I have reached their clip by looking for information about the subject they are  talking about.
 Yes there are many conspiracy theorists out there , and some are complete nuts ... maybe I am one of them ? . But not 'all' are nuts . Some are very articulate and intelligent people who ask the right questions yet governments refuse to answer or act again and again .
All I am trying to do, is to get people to 'question ' whether something is right or not . Not to just accept it because 'they' say it is so , it very often 'isn't'. 
 The retired MP Tony Benn (not someone you would call a conspiracy theory nut !! ) , even says that government is controlled by big companies that want to keep the populace sick because a healthy nation doesn't earn them money ... 
 There are many things going on that most people do not want to know about ... I am not one of them ... I want to know !!!!! Anyone  that doesn't can just ignore what I say , it makes not difference to me at all.
 Any of the things I mention or state are facts , are there for people to investigate and check out . Let those that doubt what I say check them out and prove me wrong . I have no problem with that at all . In fact , in most of these 'dark forces' subjects , I would be only too pleased to be proved totally wrong .
 However the best that most can do is mock , ridicule or blurt out the conspiracy theory chestnut . Was it a coincidence that a year before the 7/7 bombings, there was a tv program that put forward almost exactly the same scenario of a terror strike as actually happened on 7 7 ? . Was it also a coincidence that there was also a mock terror event taking place at the same time, the same place,  the same day with almost the same scenario again ? Some of the injured people , were actually not injured at all, they were there for the mock event  !!!!  Can there really be so many coincidences ? Can all the 'facts' about the event, that the government put out be believed ? If so , why have they changed them so many times ?
 There are just too many things that people accept without question . I will not do so . I will question everything
 as far as the government is concerned ... they are liars full stop .
 We are all entitled to our own opinions , that is what makes a democracy with free speech ,and that's something that is being taken away from us day by day .
 I would like nothing more than to say isn't that Nick Clegg a nice honest bloke ... I would like to be able too ... but I can't .. he is corrupt like the rest of them , and until we do get honest people representing us , not controlling us, I will continue to question and dig for the truth ... the truth they hide and conceal ad infinitum ...

cheers

Russ

[knightquest]

I agree with what Russ has to say. I don't believe in all the conspiracy theories because sometimes SH*T happens! You SHOULD check things out for yourselves though.

The government/big business do lie to us and manipulate the truth. They don't want people to ask too many questions so they manipulate stories and situations. The press are complicit too. Why will politicians never give straight answers? They can't!
Power corrupts. The more you have, the more you tow the line, the company line.

We all feel fine if we go into a big city and we are filmed by cctv cameras every step we take. We say "well, we're not breaking the law so it doesn't matter". Yes it does matter! We are having our civil liberties encroached upon. They don't need to microchip us 'cos we carry one in our credit cards. Don't even start me on id cards.

I can't express my opinions properly but something deep inside me knows that something is wrong and that we need to wake up.

ian

[Dundonald hens]

God Russ next you will be saying Santas not real !!!pmsl

[RUSTYME]

I am not a complete bloody idiot !!!! everybody knows Santa is real , no point in chimneys otherwise . Unfortunately though I am very short sighted , and for the last 45 years I have been worshiping Satan once a year ......had some very strange presents ....

cheers

Russ

[Gordon M]

The only thing that we can truly call our own, is the few inches between our ears!!

[RUSTYME]

yes, in my case a big void ...my very own space ...

cheers

Russ

[Sylvia]

Sorry, Russ, I didn't mean to be denigrating(if that's the word!) I am a small person in a big world and like most folk, I find it easier to bury my head in the sand.
Maybe I should take it out and look around more

[RUSTYME]

no probs Sylvia . I have no problems with what anyone has said at all. Some of my posts no doubt come across as a bit snotty or shirty at times ... well sometimes I can be ... sometimes !!!  , but not here . The posts are just matter of fact at worst or with tongue in cheek and a wry smile .
 The trouble is it is indifference that allows 'them' to do what they do . If people were to just say , we know exactly what you are doing , and we will vote you out at the first opportunity , they would stop instantly . They would have to . But sadly 99% people just accept/hide from what is going on .
 However, the internet is changing that , and they know it , and that is why they are trying to clamp down on it . Obama in the USA has now made it so he can  just turn off the web !!!! all in the name of homeland security of course !!!!!
People really do need to wake up .... to what is going on . Times have changed , and not for the better. 
An ex head of the KGB said not long ago , that he wished they had had as much information on people as the government in this country do now. He wondered when the people of the UK would wake up and see they were living under far more control than the Russians did 40 years ago.
 Now that should scare the crap out of people ...but it doesn't . The best response is likely to be "MMMmm what time is X factor on ? " .

cheers

Russ

[sheila]

I feel awful now Russ, I was very active in my community when I was much younger and did see some changes for the better, but looking back now I think it was all a waste of my time. I can't imagine how we would get the genie back in the bottle now. i.e people sitting in front of the box and more or less believing what they are told. revolution is as far away now then it has ever been. We can't trust the polititions of any hue but what is the alternative? Not voting?

[RUSTYME]

as far as voting is concerned , never vote for any of the main 3 parties ... they are all the same . There may be some cosmetic differences in what they say they will do , but when push comes to shove .. they all do the same . So only vote for independent candidates that stand for what you want done.  You may never get someone that says they will do everything you want ... but ONE thing would be better than what we get now. If enough people voted independent candidates, the strangle hold the main three have would break , and we could then work towards an actual democracy , instead of the sham that people 'think' is a democracy .
 The big society that DC is pushing forward is nothing to do with giving people more power over their lives , it is being pushed forward so that people do for nothing, what they pay their rates and taxes  to have done . He/they are getting shot of 500,000 people from all front line civil/social jobs , so push forward 'the big society ' and there will be people to do the work for nothing . But will your rates and taxes go down ? nope ... in fact they have all already gone up , and they will go up a lot more too. None of these things affect 'them' ..  'they' are fine , because they will get even more money than they do now . The bankers have continued to pay themselves bonuses right through this period we have been in , in fact they are paying themselves even more ... It is all a complete con ....in fact a con/demn .
 Revolution , well it may be a long way off , I doubt there would be many with a backbone stiff enough to even think it let alone act it out.  The present bit of turmoil that the students are kicking up , is in fact playing into the hands of the police and the government . Just look at how 'they' con/demn the students for daring to stand up for what they believe , yet it is ok for the government to send our troops into an illegal war with Iraq and Afghanistan , to kill women and children for what ? ... the reason changes as often as the weather . Oh it's the war on terror  !! oh it's against the drug supply ? it's against tyranny ?? wtf are they doing here ?
 We went to war with Iraq because that terrible Saddam Hussein  gassed all those people , between 10,000 and 30,000 , depending on how much anti Iraqi feeling they want to pump up ... But where did Saddam get the gas to do it ....he got it from us and the yanks.....we supplied 60% of the gas he bought , what did we think he was going to do with it ? kill little green martians when they attack ? no it was made to maim and kill humans ... we made it at Porton Down and the government sold it to him . 
 The reason they actually want the students to do what they are doing is to bring in even more laws to clamp down on the people and then to bring in the eurocorps , that is the european army that will replace the british army . We will have French and German troops over here so that they won't worry about killing people like british troops would here.
 People who think that this is just rubbish , go look in the EU documents , it is there for all to see.
 I know this all sounds insane ...and it is ... but it IS happening , and the people are letting it happen .
 People only have to look at 1930's Germany to see what is going on here now.  The unemployed and disabled of today, are the Jews and dissidents  of 1930's Germany .
 Iain Duncan Smith even said " work brings Freedom"  take a look at the entrance to Auschwitz 'Arbeit Macht Frei'. 
We are almost there... yet people still won't see it .
 How to get the genie back in the bottle ? ...vote them out ... refuse to pay outrageous taxes , what could they do ? take hundreds of thousands/millions of people to court ? Their world only exists because we allow it too. Cut their bloody supply off (money) and they fall like dominoes.


cheers

Russ

[knightquest]

Don't the 'faceless' bureaucrats convert even the independent candidates Russ? Surely they are the ones who are really running the country.

ian

[RUSTYME]

yes they can some of them ... but not all Ian  . I hate MP's and tend to tar them all with the same brush , but I am sure there must be some that are honest and have nothing but good intentions , who these ones are I don't know ...but there MUST be some ?.   
 The big companies can only wield their power over politicians because they pay millions £ into the party coffers, and give the corrupt politicians advisory jobs, paying 100's of thousands of £,to sit on the boards of their companies . I can't for the life of me remember the name of the bloke now , but one Lord (not an MP) is on the board of 5 or 6 companies and each pay him over £150,000 per year , plus £100,000 - £200,000 to lobby certain things that will benefit their company. He was one of the ones that got caught about a year ago ...caught but nothing was done !!!!! We also pay him £350 for every day he goes into the house of Lords and signs his name in the book .
Well if there are no parties to bribe and it is illegal to sit on company boards or be paid any money by the companies , then it would be rather difficult to control the government , although not impossible because people are people and always will be able to be bribed and corrupted.
 There is no simple answer to this , and independent MP's isn't the only way or the best maybe . But it would be a start .
 It would be a slow process , but gradually it would be harder and harder for the big companies to corrupt MP's .
 The other way is to shoot the thieving bastards one by one ....tell the first one , whilst holding a gun to his head !!!... if you have been corrupt .. tell me now everything you have done and it can be sorted , if you don't I will pull the trigger  !!! . Now the first one may say p*ssoff , but after you pull the trigger and move on to the next , I think the response would be slightly different . Without doubt, the third one would spill the beans to the last penny .
  Sadly we can't do that !!! so trying to vote the buggers out is our only way of getting the corrupt thieves out of parliament .

cheers

Russ

[knightquest]

Here's another one for you then Russ. Do you think that as a nation or even a breed that we (Britons, then humans) are mature enough to run a society that isn't corrupted in the way that you describe?

I love the idea about sorting the mp's and Lords too mate  Instead of shooting them though, I'd say that they would be instantly transferred to a swap with a council house tenant in Birmingham, Liverpool, Leeds or where ever......................or better yet, onto a permanent set of Big Brother. Forever! The big difference is that the cameras are there but no ones watching them  See how long it takes 'em to go feral. Every so often, say once a week.............release a hungry lion. (Only for an hour perhaps) 

Hang on, I'd better contact channel 5 before everyone else does who reads this 

ian