Author Topic: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas  (Read 16291 times)

Hilarysmum

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2010, 10:12:13 am »
From my research I have yet to find a website that shows the full grown pigs with just one exception, and that one did not show the size of the pigs in relation to the wellington boot they had the adorable looking baby standing next to.  In each case they give the impression that the piglets are the full grown item. 

The fact that uncastrated males are sold to people with no experience of pigs is terrifying.  No matter what size the animal ends up at, its a potential time bomb, has no one warned the buyer about tusks?  (To say nothing of boar scent). 

I could go on and on, but thanks so much for your supportive comments, the website pictures gave me nightmares, wanted to offload onto someone.  Thanks all. 

Fleecewife

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2010, 10:28:26 am »
This is horrendous  >:(  Is anything 'official' being done or are they ignoring it totally?  It sounds like out and out cruelty to the animals concerned. I haven't seen the websites but I have heard elsewhere of peoples concerns over this trade.  Now you've got me incensed too....
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HappyHippy

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2010, 11:39:13 am »
So far (as far as I know) the only official action that's been taken is to change the wording on their websites/adverts. Nobody in government seems to care or want to stop the breeders - hardly surprising I suppose when you consider how they've brought UK farming to it's knees :'(
The people who are buying them because it's a status symbol wouldn't believe you if you told them all the facts, hell if the Beckhams have them then they must be okay ::) (tounge firmly in cheek btw) People only hear what they want to hear - unless there is a major campaign to educate people and tell them that in the UK there is no such thing as a 'mini pig' I doubt things will change :'( :'( :'(
And a year from now (not that it'll take that long - it's started already) there will be hundreds of pigs that have grown too big or the 'cute' factor will have worn off and they will be dumped by the people who've bought them.
Here are one or two links for a bit of info
http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/505804/katie-price-and-alex-reid-say-bye-bye-to-micro-pig-bingles/1/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/18/micro-pig-advertising-ban-asa
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/the-truth-about-minipigs/118404678171148
The last one is a facebook page so I don't know if you'll be able to access it without joining facebook - but it's got LOADS of info and pictures and discussions. Read on, if you dare (but be prepared to become EVEN MORE outraged)
Karen x

Hilarysmum

  • Joined Oct 2007
Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2010, 12:36:44 pm »
I have contacted Watch Dog BBC consumer programme in the hope they will investigate this.   If anyone else feels moved to contact them as well it might just encourage them to to an article on this trade.

Fleecewife

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2010, 06:10:31 pm »
That's an excellent idea Hilarysmum.  Lets all do that.

I couldn't get the facebook page, as you thought Karen, but the 'celebrities' and their unrealistic ideas of their pets just reinforce my belief that all 'celebrities' (whatever that might mean) are first spaceship fodder.  So now I will go and put something on the 'why do..' thread.

As for the ASA saying that they are sure people will realise that these pigs need a fair amount of care - no, people seem to be unbelievably stupid - if they haven't cottoned on to the fact that tiny piglets will grow into big pigs, how will they ever work out for themselves that they will need different care from, say, a dog.  I wonder if the ASA ever seeks expert opinions to back their decisions.
Lets see what watchdog can do.
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Fleecewife

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2010, 06:24:40 pm »
I couldn't find the 'why do..' thread so I'll put it on here - why do so many people follow the cult of the celebrity?  What is a celebrity anyway?  The occasional film star, rock star or climber of Mount Everest might be a bit interesting, but there seem to be so many people who are famous for being famous, but don't actually do anything and yet have whole magazines and trails of housewives devoted to their mindless existences.  They do do something I suppose - fall for the con adverts and start mindless fads like micro-pigs.  Once it was leopards.  Whats wrong with having a nice quiet pet mouse ??
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Hilarysmum

  • Joined Oct 2007
Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2010, 10:17:54 am »
It does make me wonder, if mini "cows" (calves) ever become a celebrity trend will people then start to keep bulls in their homes?  Its no more stupid than keeping a full boar as a house-pet.

Fleecewife

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2010, 12:59:54 pm »
When you consider that an alternative to dropping a body into concrete during motorway construction (for those so inclined of course  ;D ) is to feed the body to the pigs, the idea of having any full grown pig sharing a house with children is frightening, to put it mildly. I suppose Katie Price and Alex Reid (I have to admit that I have absolutely no idea who they are) showed a small bit of belated good sense when they noticed their pig was defending his food aggressively (it's a pig  :pig: - that's what pigs do) and moved him on then before he ate the kids. Actually I think a full grown and frustrated boar might be more dangerous than a bull, with those immensely strong jaws. Idiocy  :o
Poor pigs having lived a cosseted life, suddenly turfed back outside to reality.  Maybe there's now a niche for pig psychologists to help them readjust to normal life.
I'm wondering about those SSPCA so-called micropigs looking for a new home - will everyone be shocked if they go off to the abattoir? :o
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HappyHippy

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2010, 03:34:25 pm »
Oh you've got to get yourself onto facebook mrs ;)
There was an uproar when one of the breeders claimed she would re-home any pigs retured to her, only to arrange for them to go to slaughter :o
It's the whole "they're not real pigs, they're pet pigs" thing, some people have a lot of problems with that issue I think.

pigman

  • Joined Dec 2007
Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2011, 09:25:41 am »
well what can i say that is not going to offend here goes happy hippy i can see how you are advocating kune kunes when you have them nothing wrong in that the amount of idiots that have asked us about this is unreal and willing to pay over the odds for them£400+  and don't believe you when informed they are stupid it is my belief that you have to have land to get a holding no before buying any pig  therefore it is a government induced problem i would not be happy  if these urban pig nutters were responsible for the next major disease outbreak we do not sell entire boars unless it is for breeding this is just our preference and to stop boars not up to standard breeding                                           now for the real slash and burn the river cottage site depicting to pig this is what i would refer to as an ill doer and if that is showcasing pigs they should be prosecuted and baned for life from keeping any animals as to pigmans contribution best not typing any more

Hi Lillian, not too sure what I have said to upset you here or am I missing what you are saying.

robert waddell

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2011, 09:52:23 am »
not to sure myself as often happens a quote or line is highlit ed and taken out of context and implies something different what subject was the quote from???? once i know that i will endeavour to answer your question in full

pigman

  • Joined Dec 2007
Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2011, 10:56:34 am »
Thats ok Lillian, we can't always agree and have the same opinion in any case. I suspect though it might be something to do with me and my campaign for urban pig keeping (meat pigs not pets), as I know quite a few BPA people disagree with me on this point. Then again I might just have said something stupid on RC, I do get carried away and as you say things don't always sound as they should.

robert waddell

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2011, 12:08:54 pm »
NOW THIS IS JUST MY OPINION   the bpa should take this seriously and SHOULD be doing some thing about it (pet pigs)   urban pigs they had this in WW2 did they not i am not to sure on commenting on this one there could be more ordnance in the mine field  on this

pigman

  • Joined Dec 2007
Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2011, 12:44:06 am »
Last conversation I had with marcus was that he recognised people wanted to keep pigs in a urban setting as does Richard Lutwyche in his book where he does say that it is ok to keep pigs in a garden as long as things were done properly.  This of course should be the case, country or urban.

I have had many an argument with breeders on this and I try and see it from both sides.

In my opinion one of the problems is that the first thing that springs to breeders minds when you talk urban settings is that the pigs are kept in back yards with owners not having a clue about pig management and that they will probably be the next cause of a disease outbreak. And that city people are all morons who don't know about the ways of countryfolk and their animals.  Now I agree this probably does go on, although lets hope there is no disease outbreak. But banning livestock from an urban setting won't ever stop the spread of disease. F&M both times did not start in a town, the first time it started with country folk.  So to argue this point is fruitless. There is always going to be irresponsible people. But there is definately a place in the cities for pigs, chickens, bees etc.

However let me just put a few points forward.

a. People in cities are not always brainless when it comes to animal managment.  many including myself when I lived in London come from the country and move to the city to get more money, however they still hanker after their own peice of the good life and care about the providence of their food.

b. Now lets take the place a pig would live in. London for instance has many large properties with gardens up to an half an acre, amply for keeping two pigs for the freezer for the short time required. Many of my country customers don't even have this much for their pigs.

c. Many urban pig keepers are more actively invlved in taking the pig from the hoof to the plate themselves. Unlike many smallholders who send their pig to the butcher to be butchered and will never smoke or cure themselves.  Again many of my urban customers get the carcass back and smoke or cure their own meat as they are keen to do things themselves.  Many also make their own bread and grow vegetables. Baisically they are keen to do the whole self sufficiency thing as far as possible

d. Without fail I have not come across an urban pig keeper who does not have the right equipment and the right paperwork. Obvously as I say there are people out there who are not doing things properly but so are there in the country. Many have been on pig courses, butchery courses etc. Many have the disposable income from the high wages to do things properly and spend the money with their country cousins thereby helping the very people who are criticising them to stay afloat.

e. There is just as high a risk of disease in the country as there is in the town, in fact a higher risk in the country. It is harder to hide a pig in a town but easier if you live on a farm. Two pigs in a town are more noticeable than two unaccountable extra pigs on a farm where to many people looking, they would just be one of the farm animals.

f. Many urban places we have delivered arks to are immaculate, beautiful fencing, everything tidied away. I know of many farms that are just s**t holes, pigs kept in broken down buldings, wire lying about etc etc, but hey thats ok as the pigs live in the country.

Most breeders will have sold a weaner or weaners to someone living in the town, we have sold quite a few over time and I would not hesitate to sell them again to those same people.  I think it comes across as very insulting to the urbanites to say that they shouldn't keep pigs as pigs do not have a place in a city.  Well they do. They inject money into those agricutural places on the edge of town which perhaps don't do as well fianicially precisely because they are on the edge of a town and more importantly by keeping pigs responsibly, they in some small way educate those around them on what is needed to keep animals. Neighbours often get inolved, looking after the pigs when the people go on holiday, or helping to make the suasages as one of my customer's neighbours did a while ago.

 I have met some very BAD  breeders in the country who I would definately not sell a pig to.
Sorry just to add, I am talking meat pigs not pet. I totally agree with all that is said about keeping pet pigs in a city for the rest of their lives and from experience seen, most pet pig owners treat their pig as they would a cat or dog, they don't bother with finding out what is legal etc, and many do not even know they are meant to have a movement licence. Pet owners certainly seem to have a different mindset from owners keeping pigs for meat
« Last Edit: January 06, 2011, 12:52:35 am by pigman »

HappyHippy

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Re: Please dont buy a mini pig for Xmas
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2011, 02:08:00 am »
Good to see I'm not the only insomniac tonight   :wave:
I agree with what you've said Pigman, I think the key here is making the distinction between pet pigs kept indoors (because owners think, oh aren't they cute and I WANT one !) and those which are kept outside and looked after in a more natural, considered and responsible manner (whether pet or pork)
I still totally disagree with the 'micro' trade though, disreputable breeders who're breeding from anything and everything, weaning too early and giving inacurate advice to prospective owners - it's not the way to do it ! Grrrrrrr  >:(

 

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