[OhLaLa]

Eve - I only did it the once - it went into various recipes and I made lard (loads, that went in the freezer). Have got it about right now. 

[kjohnson34]

I've got 13 acres that we keep horses on so I have fence posts, stockfence and energizer with tape and I can make a sturdy shelter plus feed stores for the horse food

[Eve]

You're in profit already! 

Keep in mind that quite a few horses are scared of pigs (it's their movements, not their smell, and it takes them a long time to get used to that - something to do with wild boars killing wild horses in days very long gone by). You'll have a trailer as well, I take it, the abattoir will probably be fine with getting a horse trailer in though it's best to check first, you never know.

Once you have your herd numbers etc start shopping around for tags (metal is, I think, pretty much universally accepted, plastic isn't) so that you have plenty of time to source them, and then you're all set.

[robert waddell]

cant carry pigs sheep cattle in horse box no gates on sides of the ramp

[pikilily]

Lilian,

I did, all you need is some sheep hurdles or pallets that you tie on the side of the trailer, before you let the ramp down. it is easy and works just fine. I carry the 'gates' in the back of my jeep. dunblane abattoir ask for side ates and were happy with the way i did it.

I know that some folk have constructed gates for their horse trailer which can be lifted off the pins, if they wish, when transporting horses.

'Simples'
Emma T

[Hilarysmum]

Whatever you use, if its like here, you will be asked to wash the trailer out before leaving, so no straw, cos it makes one heck of a soggy mess!!!

[pikilily]

thats a point- dunblane didnt ask for the trailer to be cleaned.
i did when I got home though!
'Spose thats a naughty point for them!!
ET

[robert waddell]

all the slaughter houses that we have used has not required to wash the trailor out better using your facilities than theirs the side gates is required by law and on that point how many people have the transport certificate??

[ballingall]

all the slaughter houses that we have used has not required to wash the trailor out better using your facilities than theirs the side gates is required by law and on that point how many people have the transport certificate??

I do!


Beth

[farmershort]

thats a point- dunblane didnt ask for the trailer to be cleaned.
i did when I got home though!
'Spose thats a naughty point for them!!
ET

They're supposed to get you to sign an A4 green slip stating that you can wash your trailer out somewhere other than the abattoir. we get one of these each time we drop of our pigs.

also, you only need that (insert swear word here) livestock haulage licence if you're travelling over 40k if memory serves.

[pikilily]

Now then, Now then!!! Lanuage Timothy!!!   

the * insert word* transport thing.... ah!  If its for personal use you dont need it anyway...ie NOT COMMERCIAL or 'part of an ecconomic activity'.. (i am not shouting, just emphasising) I went over it with DEfra on the other end of the phone....  it is  over 50miles to the abattoir from here and o 1.5 hours drive with a trailer...so although over the lower milage for the level one (>(40 miles/ 65k) form i was still exempt cos i am not commercial. But the nice man at Defra said i could fill it out and have the guidelines with me in case anyone challenges. If you have the self declaration (WIT06) one done at least it shows you are aware of the rules and have concidered your animal transport.

mine went, two in the horse trailer, with a huge big bed of straw and a bucket of water,....LOL couldnt manage to wire up the stereo for them..!!!
Emma T

[farmershort]

Now then, Now then!!! Lanuage Timothy!!!   

the * insert word* transport thing.... ah!  If its for personal use you dont need it anyway...ie NOT COMMERCIAL or 'part of an ecconomic activity'.. (i am not shouting, just emphasising) I went over it with DEfra on the other end of the phone....  it is  over 50miles to the abattoir from here and o 1.5 hours drive with a trailer...so although over the lower milage for the level one (>(40 miles/ 65k) form i was still exempt cos i am not commercial. But the nice man at Defra said i could fill it out and have the guidelines with me in case anyone challenges. If you have the self declaration (WIT06) one done at least it shows you are aware of the rules and have concidered your animal transport.

mine went, two in the horse trailer, with a huge big bed of straw and a bucket of water,....LOL couldnt manage to wire up the stereo for them..!!!
Emma T

Brilliant tip! I wasn't aware of the WIT06 form, thanks!

[pikilily]

No prob,
the WIT06 is really for commercial < 65k journeys, but that is the one i fill out...even for my own records.
the guidance notes are WIT 21, two pages, and it explains everything clearly.

what is intersting is the Defra definition of 'economic activity'  is .....'any transport of animals undertaken as part of a business or commercial activity, which aims at acheiving financial gain, whether direct or indirect, for any person or company involved with transport.'

so, on A.S. we could ALL get around it by saying we do not 'aim' to acheive personal gain, and how many of us actually turn a 'gain'.....and we are not involved with 'transport' ....the quote does not say 'the transport' it says transport.....totally different!!

it goes on to say who does not need an authorisation
ie .'...not connected with ecconomic activity'
1. not in course of business or trade
2. not for hire or reward
etc etc

Emma T

[pikilily]

BUM BUM BUM!!!
sorry the symbol should be
>
not
<
before the 65k....really, really, sorry to add to what is already irritation and confusing enough
Emma T 

[Eve]

No worries, Emma, we know what you meant. 

We too have always been asked to sign a declaration that we'd clean the trailer. We use the farmer's high pressure machine to make it spotless when we get back.