[andywalt]

As you all know I and buying in a few sheep here and there....last saturday I picked up my Southdown tup, movement licence all correct and sent off within 3 days, this wednesday I am collecting another 3 shetlands from a city farm, this has a 4 day gap, Is my holding on total standstill for 6 days in and out? or can I bring more in within the 6 days to my holding?

if you could clarify I would appreciate

thansk andy

[morri2]

Hi Andy, my understanding is that if you bring something in, you are on standstill for six days.  Taking out is not a problem provided you don't bring it back.  This however, is the situation in Wales - not sure if its different over the border.

[andywalt]

but after recieving and you recieve again within 6 days?

[bazzais]

If only common sense could prevail here and you were allowed to segregate the animals yourself on arrival from your own stock (and from the each incoming group) - but I dont think its the case - I think that when your on standstill you have to be at a standstill.

I could be wrong and I have searched the defra site for information but it seems that this particular situation is not listed - typical.

You could try phoning them but I have phoned them twice before now and each time they have hung up because the question was obviously too complicated for them to work out. (even though they make the rules)

Ta

Baz

[andywalt]

I agree with you totally, and I have heard you get a warning first then another then a fine, I would have thought if you have brought a new animal in you should not take any off, and in my opinion its no really damaging to recieve again, well I have to collect some more shetlands on wednesday so I will let you know if I get a phone call. I have phoned them in the past and come away more confused then before !!!

Any one else shed some light on it?




andy

[shetlandpaul]

you can bring more animals on to your holding it just means your standstill starts again. bring more animals on does not increase the risk of disease . its taking off after a resant movement onto your holding that does.

[andywalt]

hurrahhhh

thats what I wanted to hear, thanks so much, understand totally

[Pony-n-trap]

I read it as, bring them on, fine, but dont move any off.  I think its 10 days up here though, but anyway, just dont move any off.

[lachlanandmarcus]

Agree with all the above, its the off movements that are restricted. they dont mind if yours are raddled with plague as long as you dont export it :-)))

[Anke]

Direct moves to slaughter are exempt from standstill, so you can  bring on and take away for slaughter within the 6 days (13 in Scotland), otherwise, correct bringing on more animals will re-start your standstill from day 1. If you bring on pigs though its 3 weeks!!!!

[andywalt]

Thanks all, I think thats cleared that up, its a bit worrying when you cant trust the authority to give you the right answer!!

[jinglejoys]

Personally I keep everything seperate from my stock for 21days

[Fleecewife]

We have just been moving breeding tups around.  In Scotland breeding tups are outwith the standstill system, but we just discovered that in England they are not - how daft is that    I suppose it's because we have such a long standstill up here - 13 days - that it would make tupping time impossible to work, whereas it is just about possible with the English 6 days.
Another madness is that our English buyer was told, officially, that to avoid a standstill (where someone is delivering some animals and taking others away on the same journey) it was OK to swap animals from trailer to trailer in a layby, just as long as the exchange didn't take place somewhere with a holding number. I can just picture randy tups gallumphing up and down the Highways of Old England, in and out of the traffic, after someone let them slip out of their grasp whilst moving them from trailer to trailer 

[shetlandpaul]

at least he would not run off.

[waterhouse]

If you read the six day rule (and its really hard to find on the DEFRA website) it's actually seven days.  You can't move an animal OFF your holding today if there's been a movement ON during the preceding six days.  Today plus the preceding six equals seven.