[northfifeduckling]

http://www.2ndchance.info/goutpollocAvianrenaldis.pdf

I quote from page 108

"Nutritional cuases of renal diesease - Excess dietary protein or calcium or hypovitaminosis A or hypervitaminosis D may lead to nephritis and other degenerative renal changes."
You may be diappointed to learn that other members can read and discuss topics which may be of value to each other. So, a conclusion for ordinary folks- an excess in pellets" can lead to kidney problems, if you read my post closely you see that I was mentioning amounts.
And you may not know on-line etiquette but I KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS is shouting.
 

[AndynJ]

Abuse usually sees the end to a thread
Lets hope it does on this occasion too.

THE END

[lilfeeb]

In respect to Northfifeduckling AndynJ's post did seem pretty agressive, disrespectful and dismissive in tone to me as an uninvolved bystander.

I'm sure it wasn't meant to be but it does read that way. Use of Capital letters are well known to be considered shouting in emails or online.

[F.CUTHBERT]

1. What are the benefits of GM free above contaminated wheat ?
2. What is the protein level of your wheat at feed time ?
3. What is the protein level of the "very high level layers pellets"
4. What is the optimum protein requirement of your hens?
5. What are the implications of increased protein levels ?

1.very long answer but in short it makes people feel they are getting a cleaner product, there is no substantial proof that a modified wheat is harmful to hens
2. protein levels in wheat vary from 7% - 12% ish dependant on type & production, sprouted wheat has a protein level of between 7 & 17% ish
3. 17%
4. laying hens 17%
5. too much protein as with humans is disposed of through urine, breathe & the liver excess protein isn't harmful in it's self however it could be harmful in that other minerals & vitamins maybe missing within the feed and also that some minerals & vitamins may get flushed out along with the excess protein

Hi AndynJ
Not wanting to get into any arguments but is there actually any GM wheats out there being commercially grown? I know there is plenty of GM maize and most soya is GM but is there any GM wheat? As far as I know there are no GM barley varieties.
Also very interested in the idea of sprouting grain. What makes you think it has any improved nutritional value over the unsprouted grain? Back in the 1970's great claims were made by people selling hydroponic systems such as the Acre Maker, which were just sprouting grain. These have been pretty much debunked now.
The only way I can see it increasing the protein is the fact the carbohydrate is being burnt off fuelling growth but the protein isn't. If you start with a kilo at 14% protein you have 140g protein dry matter, spout it and your kilo becomes 750 or 500g dry matter but it still contains most of the original140g of protein so the % protein has gone up even if the actual amount of protein is still the same.
You would be giving your animals 140g protein whether they were fed it sprouted or unsprouted, or am I missing something?