Thank you all for your good (as usual) advice, the " Lady " that was interested suddenly lost interest when I refused to give them to her for nothing , cheeky bitch, anyway I've stuck them on ' marketplace ' at a low price for AS members , If anyone out of our area wants them and is coming up for the Royal Welsh Show you can collect them then. Gabi brought one into the house for me to look at and it has been taken off cleanly with no daggy bits , feels nice and soft. PM me or call with any questions,