I have bought one secondhand (like new) it is a warm master deluxe, I think it was originally purchased from Ascot catalogue and if not there are similar ones in it. Although I haven't used it as goat not kidded yet the woman who I bought it off was very happy with it and wasn't really sure if she wanted to sell it. It can be used as it is but she also bought an insert for it which if you are doing milk/apples might be a good idea for you, it isn't massive but its not small either ideal for a couple or so of milking goats which is what she had. In a few weeks I will be able to comment better as I will have used it myself.