[doganjo]

Well done for getting the hips done before breeding.  I'm sure they will be lovely pups, good luck selling them. Did you use one of Charlie Thorburn's dogs?

But remember Labrador  are yellow not golden. 

[SallyintNorth]

But remember Labrador  are yellow not golden. 

I thought that too!  Annie, my BIL has a (very nearly) fox-red one, which he describes as a Red - do they now have a 'Red' or would he be classed as 'Yellow'?

[lab7]

If anyone is interested in buying one them they can visit them and make up their own mind about the colour. Personally I love dogs for being dogs, not their colour.

[doganjo]

Lab7, perhaps you haven't been on here long enough to realise how passionate I am about dogs - all dogs, I love then all, regardless of breeding.  But I am a stickler for  correctness, keeping dogs healthy, not breeding indiscriminately or for money, and doing things right - perhaps it's my auditing background.     As I said, you seem to be doing it right.

To a certain extent I agree about colour in any specific dog,  - a good horse is never a bad colour, as they say, but you wouldn't buy a Volkswagen Golf if someone advertised it as a Land Rover, would you?  You would realise that they knew very little about either make of car.

Breed standards are fairly explicit for very good reasons!  If you didn't adhere to the colour names you would have a great many different names for each colour. For instance I have seen Labradors described as 'Jetblacks; Shaded blacks, Chocoblacks - just silly - they have genes for black or yellow or liver, and that is what they should be described as.

Golden Retrievers are golden, Labrador retrievers are yellow.

Sally, Fox Reds are becoming more popular - they are a variation of the Yellow gene - this is the section from the Kennel Club Breed Standard.  They can vary from a dark yellow to a really rich red. 

Colour
Wholly black, yellow or liver/chocolate. Yellows range from light cream to red fox. Small white spot on chest permissible.

Breed Standard here -
http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/breed/standard.aspx?id=2048

[lab7]

Thank you for your comments. However, as you have said yourself 'yellow' can be anything from cream to fox red. By describing them as golden I avoided people asking if they were fox red - which does seem to be the most popular colour at the moment. I appreciate where you are coming from, but surely by being so picky you are discouraging people from taking part in what should be a friendly forum. I thought I would contribute; any time I have been on the forum before I have had friendly responses, not those of an auditor. If you would like to start a discussion about dog colours and breed standards then could you start your own topic and not take over mine.

[kaz]

I don't think Doganjo is trying to take over your post, just pointing out the finer aspects of dog breeding as anyone on this forum will tell you, that she is passionate about people breeding from their dogs and going about it the right way as there is so many puppy farms and others passing on pups with potential serious health issues to unsuspecting new owners.

She is a wealth of knowledge on dog breeding and I think she still does some judging, but I'm sure she will come back to you on your post as  I am sure she will have something to say on it.

[robert waddell]

lab 7 i was like you when i had my first tussle with Annie and some others (there have been been so many)
it is friendly just think of the forum being a local pub and heated debates going on without the barmaid and drink     some skip read and miss the whole point of writing some have an etiquette for perfect writing and grammar      if YOU think you have a valid point make it   don't be intimidated by anybody
i know a few lab breeders around Perth they work for i h brown     now that was arguments so much they would not speak to each other
i once said to Annie that nobody went to bed and knew nothing and woke up the next day and knew everything there was to know (Annie has since reminded me on several occasions of what i said ) every day is a learning experience and the day you stop learning it is time to give up
anything i write about is my own observations and experiences not some tosh written in books and copied to make more books
so as somebody who has tangled with Annie and survived and still writing  your posts will get hijacked  comments made but just don't give up   remember this forum is worldwide 

[doganjo]

lab 7 i was like you when i had my first tussle with Annie and some others (there have been been so many)
it is friendly just think of the forum being a local pub and heated debates going on without the barmaid and drink     some skip read and miss the whole point of writing some have an etiquette for perfect writing and grammar      if YOU think you have a valid point make it   don't be intimidated by anybody
i know a few lab breeders around Perth they work for i h brown     now that was arguments so much they would not speak to each other
i once said to Annie that nobody went to bed and knew nothing and woke up the next day and knew everything there was to know (Annie has since reminded me on several occasions of what i said ) every day is a learning experience and the day you stop learning it is time to give up
anything i write about is my own observations and experiences not some tosh written in books and copied to make more books
so as somebody who has tangled with Annie and survived and still writing  your posts will get hijacked  comments made but just don't give up   remember this forum is worldwide 

And still pals, Robert?    Yes LAb7 - I am not at all downing you or your litter.  As I said before I believe you are responsible as you have hip scored your bitch prior to breeding - many don't bother.  This has actually blown up out of all proportion - if you remember all I said was 'But remember Labrador  are yellow not golden.'  That was neither a criticism nor a lecture - it was merely a comment as so many people call yellow labs golden and shouldn't.  Golden is not in the breed standard of Labradors but it is in Golden retrievers.
And yes, I 'still' Judge - I have three appointments in the next 18 months.  Not just my own breed - all breeds.

[lab7]

I've said my piece. I don't want an argument so I'm not posting or reading any more comments.

[plumseverywhere]

I think that's a real shame     The written word can be taken in so many different ways but I don't think Annie wants to scare you away!  I've read some of your older posts Mary and I know you have a great deal of experience to offer us as smallholders. I think Robert has written a brilliant analogy there (I don't know why they call you a  grump Robert, I think you are lovely!)
Please reconsider 

[Berkshire Boy]

Well done Doganjo someone else you can add to the list of people you have upset on here with your holier than though attitude. 

[Lesley Silvester]

I always refer to my husband's guide dog as blond but that relates to him rather than his colour (yellow or golden).  Please note:  I don't really believe that all blondes are dumb - just this particular dog whose brain seems to be in his harness as he doesn't have one when he's not working!   

[doganjo]

Well done Doganjo someone else you can add to the list of people you have upset on here with your holier than though attitude. 

all I said was 'But remember Labrador  are yellow not golden.' with a smilie face after it .  It was then escalated by someone else - not me!  I don't know of anyone else I have upset on here either - could you list them for me please so that I may make my apologies.

[lachlanandmarcus]

I think it was fine to point it out, as potential purchasers who had read up on the breed might have looked at the ad and thought not sure I would buy a lab from the advertiser as they dont know that labs are yellow not golden. Like Suffolk Punch horses are always described as 'chesnut' not 'chestnut'. It's an historic thing, but that doesnt make it irrelevant. 

People wanting to avoid puppy farm bred dogs will look for little clues as to whether the breeder is a specialist in the breed especially when looking online. In this case Im sure the breeder is very reputable and the puppies fantastically bred and strong and healthy but it did raise a query with me when described as golden and Im no lab expert at all, have never had one. Im sure the correcting post was just trying to be helpful so the breeder can describe the puppies accurately.

[colliewoman]

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