Author Topic: Off to a good start !!  (Read 12148 times)

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2016, 04:06:14 pm »
The sponges come in packs of 25 for roughly £60, so £2 to £3 each, and the manufacturer's instruction leaflet is here.


It says "Chronogest CR is no substitute for good management. A higher ratio of rams to ewes is required (for example, 1:10 within the breeding season, 1:5 outside the breeding season) and good ewe and ram management is essential for success."


So I guess Rosemary your answer depends on how good you think your tup is, although you can manage the mating by introducing the tup to each girl in turn, to ensure they have all been served. The method we plan to use is to put him in with the girls and then do a sort of musical chairs routine whereby we remove ewes once we've seen them served twice. Presumably the ugliest ewe will be the last one standing - sort of like clearing out time at the disco!  :innocent: .


I'll let you know how that goes!!
"All fungi are edible. Some fungi are only edible once." -Terry Pratchett

Foobar

  • Joined Mar 2012
  • South Wales
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2016, 04:22:07 pm »
If you do this, how many ewes can you expect a tup to successfully cover? We usually have 15 ewes - would we insert 15 sponges one day then take five out on three consecutive days, all 15 on one day or what woudl we insert five songes on each of three days or what?
One ram can cover 10 ewes.  A ram lamb can do only 5.

Your idea of taking out 5 sponges per day might work (or maybe you need to stretch to a two day gap) but you would be advised to hand mate - what I mean is supervise the mating so that he only mounts each ewe twice and is then removed from the ewes.  That way he conserves his juice :) .  It's a bit time consuming, you'll need to pen your ewes and have a mating pen, release one ewe at a time into the mating pen, wait until he's served that ewe twice, then remove the ewe.  Give him 5-10mins to recover, then repeat with the next ewe.


If it were me (and this is what I did last year), I would split the group up into two, and do 7 one week and 8 the next.. in fact I think I left it two weeks.  Again, once he's mated all of the first group take him out.  Once he's done all of the second group then put them all in together so that he can serve any if any repeat.  This is also handy if you don't have many lambing pens :) .

Alternatively, use two rams.

If you stagger the mating you will need to stagger the sponge insertion, unless its only a day or two's difference.

Cost of sponges is at least £50+VAT for a pack of 25 sponges.  You can keep any spares for the following year.  The applicator is about a tenner.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2016, 04:27:22 pm by Foobar »

pharnorth

  • Joined Nov 2013
  • Cambridgeshire
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2016, 05:28:57 pm »
Ok so the gloves are off. What we need is a spreadsheet monger who can collate whether all this sponging and split session or supervised tupping is really giving a significantly shorter lambing time come the spring. I'm sticking with the raddle on 35 day challenge, 1 tup 6 ewes.

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2016, 06:07:08 pm »
What we need is a spreadsheet monger


Well as it happens, I am a professional spreadsheet monger, so here's one I monged earlier. This one works out when to start doing the hokey cokey in order to hopefully begin lambing over Easter. However, I'm sure it could be adapted!  ;) .


P.S. Pharnorth - you're not allowed to take the gloves off. The instructions say not to get any progesterone on your hands, in case you get pregnant. Or something like that  ??? .
"All fungi are edible. Some fungi are only edible once." -Terry Pratchett

crobertson

  • Joined Sep 2015
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2016, 07:42:45 pm »
I think the recommendation is 1 ram to 10 ewes when sponging, ours only had 6 and hes managed them easily.

The sponges come in minimum packs of 25 but our vets split a pack and let us just have however many we need and they advised on the PMSG. The total vet bill was £80 BUT that included a consultation and vaccination for one of the dogs (probably £40-45) so they rest included sponges, PMSG and the applicator itself so probably £6-£7 per ewe, will be less next year as we now have the applicator.

May sound expensive to some but for us less time of work and compact lambing way exceeds this. 

Bramham Wiltshire Horns

  • Joined Oct 2014
  • leeds
  • Bramham flock Wiltshire Horns
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2016, 08:28:03 am »
What we need is a spreadsheet monger


Well as it happens, I am a professional spreadsheet monger, so here's one I monged earlier. This one works out when to start doing the hokey cokey in order to hopefully begin lambing over Easter. However, I'm sure it could be adapted!  ;) .


P.S. Pharnorth - you're not allowed to take the gloves off. The instructions say not to get any progesterone on your hands, in case you get pregnant. Or something like that  ??? .

very well monged :-)
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Foobar

  • Joined Mar 2012
  • South Wales
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2016, 09:52:25 am »
Ok so the gloves are off. What we need is a spreadsheet monger who can collate whether all this sponging and split session or supervised tupping is really giving a significantly shorter lambing time come the spring. I'm sticking with the raddle on 35 day challenge, 1 tup 6 ewes.
It does, it's brilliant if you are time poor.  Mine lambed over two weekends this year, meant I only had to take a couple of days off work instead of a week or more.  Standing around for a morning watching sheep sh*g was definitely worth it :).

pharnorth

  • Joined Nov 2013
  • Cambridgeshire
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2016, 10:55:38 am »
Thanks [member=2128]Womble[/member] spreadsheet duly stolen. Unless you have it copyright in which case it is merely being admired.

Foobar

  • Joined Mar 2012
  • South Wales
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2016, 11:18:13 am »
This was my spreadsheet.  You do have to take into consideration the time of day that you remove the sponges and put the ram in.  Oestrus occurs 36 to 72hrs after sponge removal, and each ewe will be different.  I had a couple of ewes the previous year that were immediately very keen with the ram and were mated but returned to the ram 17 days later, so I assumed they came into oestrus nearer the 36 hours mark. So for this year I put the ram in at 38 hours rather than 48 hours.
I tried to time my first bunch so that they lambed at easter, which they did. Then the second bunch the following weekend.   

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2016, 03:47:37 pm »
Standing around for a morning watching sheep sh*g was definitely worth it :) .

Well, guess what I've been doing today!!

I had a slight mishap in that I ended up getting home very late on Sunday, so took the sponges out in the evening rather than at lunchtime as I had planned. However, seven of our eight ewes were queuing up along the fence this morning, much to Brynmor's frustration (see pic).

To keep things simple, I just let them get on with it and he's served those seven several times. We're not even at 48hrs yet, so hopefully the other one will get in the mood soon too. Edit: 47 hours on the clock, and she's now mounting him! The poor bloke looks knackered though, and no wonder!  ;D

If they all take first cycle, I'll be well chuffed. Definitely one of my more bizarre days off though!
« Last Edit: November 22, 2016, 04:48:32 pm by Womble »
"All fungi are edible. Some fungi are only edible once." -Terry Pratchett

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2016, 03:51:26 pm »
Oh, BTW, you have to pull really quite hard to get the sponges out. Mrs Womble says that's the same with other similar contraptions too, and that I somehow should have expected it!?

Once they did come out, they were followed by a spurt of watery fluid, rather than the thick gunk I had expected. Not a pleasant smell, but not vomit inducing either!
"All fungi are edible. Some fungi are only edible once." -Terry Pratchett

NethertonSH

  • Joined May 2015
    • Netherton Smallholding
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2016, 05:05:46 pm »
Very accurately described there Womble!

Is so happened that my dates happened to tie in perfectly with your spreadsheet so thanks for that  :thumbsup:

I had my Shetland ewes split in two, registered in one field and uregistered in another (bit of a hassle logistically!). Registered ewes all seemed to have been covered in the first day. The unregistered had two first timers that hadn't been when I checked yesterday but hopefully have been now.

 :fc: for a nice short lambing period in April!

Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2017, 08:37:11 am »
Folks, just for the record, our eight ewes lambed over a four day period this year, so I'm really impressed with the hassle savings the sponges gave us.



Mrs Womble and I both work full time, so being able to get lambing pretty much done and dusted over the Easter weekend, was a huge bonus for us. We'll definitely be doing this again!

I've put some more info about it on my wee blog, for anybody who's interested.
"All fungi are edible. Some fungi are only edible once." -Terry Pratchett

TheSmilingSheep

  • Joined May 2013
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2017, 09:49:35 am »
Beautiful!
I don't know why, but I just feel squeamish about this sponging business, although I can read that it makes absolute sense!  And spreadsheets really give me the heebie-jeebies!


Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Re: Off to a good start !!
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2017, 09:54:27 am »
Yeah, so was I, Smilingsheep. However, it just saved me potentially two weeks of anxiously pacing the fields with torch in hand!

In the scheme of things, it really wasn't that gross. I'm still glad my Mum wasn't there to watch me do any of it though!
"All fungi are edible. Some fungi are only edible once." -Terry Pratchett

 

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