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langdon

  • Joined Sep 2009
  • Pembrokeshire
  • The Happy Smallholder!
selling kids
« on: January 29, 2010, 12:15:01 pm »
to sell kid goats do you have to be reg as a goat keeper,if so can you pls give details as how
we do this as we wany to be able to sell in future ta ;)
Langdon ;)

ballingall

  • Joined Sep 2008
  • Avonbridge, Falkirk
Re: selling kids
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 03:26:25 pm »
Hey Langdon,


Sorry hadn't noticed these cause they were in the "other" section.

Not sure what you mean about being registered... In order to sell goats you should have your smallholding registered and have a herd number. Remember any kids born on your premises will have to be eartagged, with an individual number, and your herd number.

As long as that is done you can sell your stock.

The other thing is, a lot of goats in the UK are registered with the British Goat Society http://www.allgoats.co.uk/ To produce registered kids, you need to have your females registered (they can be registered in an identification register if you don't know who they parents are, or if their parents weren't registered), and you need to use a registered male goat for stud as well.

It means you might be able to get a bit more for the kids, but I couldn't say for certain. Also, remember it costs to register your goats, so you need to cover those costs. Producing kids to sell is expensive, as people (mostly) want de-horned goats, and that means vet's bills for getting them disbudded.

Currently we sell female kids for starting about £70-£80, but it depends how well bred they are, we can get more for one out of a really good show goat. Male kids who have been castrated I will sell for less- just looking to cover our costs for the disbudding etc etc. Male kids for breeding are worth more than female kids, easily £250-£300- but they have to be well bred. Some people charge more than that for male kids for breeding.

Remember we are in Scotland as well- I think prices are a bit cheaper up here.

Beth

langdon

  • Joined Sep 2009
  • Pembrokeshire
  • The Happy Smallholder!
Re: selling kids
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 06:51:54 pm »
ta beth for reply, sorry that this post was in diff place lol,
you deff explain everything well, you are a * !
with regards to me asking bout reg the goats to be able to sell(i dont know if  ive confused everyone!!!!)
is our cpn number enough?
this is something that we will be doing in the future, so i guess ive got plenty of time to get me head
around it!!!!
p.s. silly ques- why do we need to have them reg? you got alot of patience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :goat: ;)

 
Langdon ;)

langdon

  • Joined Sep 2009
  • Pembrokeshire
  • The Happy Smallholder!
Re: selling kids
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 06:58:40 pm »
beth have you noticed the other post? (what next)
it would be interesting to know any ideas you might have ;)
as allways i app  ;) ;)your replys :D
Langdon ;)

langdon

  • Joined Sep 2009
  • Pembrokeshire
  • The Happy Smallholder!
Re: selling kids
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 07:03:35 pm »
beth if you dont mind me asking, how much is all the other little extra things
that you need for selling kids e.g. ear tags etc.
how old do you sell kids 8wks or so? ;)
Langdon ;)

ballingall

  • Joined Sep 2008
  • Avonbridge, Falkirk
Re: selling kids
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 07:48:03 pm »
Your Holding number (or cpn or cph number) for your property isn't enough, you need a goat herd/flock number as well.

You certainly don't need to register the goats with the British Goat Society if you don't want to.

Ear tags aren't expensive, but most of the company's you get them from have a minimum order fee- the one's I know of have that set at £5. So you are better off buying all the tags you need in one order.

It depends who wants the kids and what they want them for how old they are when I let them go. James had 2 castrated males from us last year, and he got them when they were just over a fortnight old. But remember, goat kids need to be feed milk until they are at least 3 months old. That means if anyone takes them younger than that, they need to be prepared to feed them- and if they have no milk, then that means buying dried milk, which is expensive. I would never let a kid go younger than a fortnight old (unless I knew who they were going to really well). Mostly because I want to make sure they are taking milk well, and that they have recovered well from being disbudded. Some of the breeds, I would say even older than that, because Anglo-Nubians sometimes need to be a bit older before they are disbudded than the other breeds.

When you are selling a kid, the costs I take into account are-

1- Stud fees (or how much it cost me to get the mother pregnant).
2- Disbudding fees (whether its the vets bills or your own)
3- Cost for vaccinating the kids mother just before kids are born
4- Registration fees (for the kids)
5- How old is the kid- have I had other costs, if the kid is older, worming, vaccination.
6- CAE testing the mother before it is born
7- Ear tag cost

I can't think of anything else, but by the time you add up all of that, there's not a huge profit on selling a kid!

Beth

langdon

  • Joined Sep 2009
  • Pembrokeshire
  • The Happy Smallholder!
Re: selling kids
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 08:19:35 pm »
wow thanks beth there is alot involved!
and we thought those two no. were enough!!
well it just goes to show how much you know till you ask the experts!!!
thanks once again beth :chook:
Langdon ;)

shetlandpaul

  • Joined Oct 2008
Re: selling kids
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 09:03:13 pm »
see othe reply. you can't sell at the moment. get hold of defras guides on the animals that you have.

Roxy

  • Joined May 2009
  • Peak District
    • festivalcarriages.co.uk
Re: selling kids
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 11:04:07 pm »
I prefer my kids to be 3 months before leaving, unless the new owner is an experienced goat keeper. 

The male kids from the larger dairy goats, are all castrated, and will be kept for around 8 months, free range grazing.  They will then be sold to a specialist goat meat outlet and go straight for slaughter, so they will have had a good life.  The price will depend on their weight, which given our good grazing, will hopefully be good!  Females I like to keep if possible, and breed from, otherwise once kidded, and I know a good home is waiting, I will sell.

Pygmy males will be castrated, and go as pets.  Prices start at £150.  Females will also be sold, but any really nice ones retained for breeding.

Unless the male is exceptionally good, castrating is really the best option.  Entire males are almost impossible to rehome because of the smell, but castrated ones can at least go for pets.  Although there is a lot out there needing homes.

Before breeding, its very important that the goat owner thinks about what to do with the kids.  Round here, not many people keep goats, so they are not exactly flocking to the door locally, although I have had some enquiries already for this years kids.


I am not in it for the money - more that I enjoy keeping goats, and rescuing them of course!!  I certainly will not be a millionaire from keeping goats.

ballingall

  • Joined Sep 2008
  • Avonbridge, Falkirk
Re: selling kids
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 12:28:49 am »
Yep, agree with Roxy, it isn't always easy to sell goats, although we have had more enquiries over the last 18months than for a long time. We never keep male kids unless someone has specifically booked them, or unless we have a reason for wanting to keep one for breeding. This year we will have 2 Breed Champions kidding, and may well keep males out of these two with the intention of selling, but if each of them had 3 males, there is no way I would rear all three and try to sell them. We will also try and keep a male out of one of the British Toggenburgs for ourselves to keep for breeding.

Beth

ballingall

  • Joined Sep 2008
  • Avonbridge, Falkirk
Re: selling kids
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 06:14:57 pm »
Your Holding number (or cpn or cph number) for your property isn't enough, you need a goat herd/flock number as well.

You certainly don't need to register the goats with the British Goat Society if you don't want to.

Ear tags aren't expensive, but most of the company's you get them from have a minimum order fee- the one's I know of have that set at £5. So you are better off buying all the tags you need in one order.

It depends who wants the kids and what they want them for how old they are when I let them go. James had 2 castrated males from us last year, and he got them when they were just over a fortnight old. But remember, goat kids need to be feed milk until they are at least 3 months old. That means if anyone takes them younger than that, they need to be prepared to feed them- and if they have no milk, then that means buying dried milk, which is expensive. I would never let a kid go younger than a fortnight old (unless I knew who they were going to really well). Mostly because I want to make sure they are taking milk well, and that they have recovered well from being disbudded. Some of the breeds, I would say even older than that, because Anglo-Nubians sometimes need to be a bit older before they are disbudded than the other breeds.

When you are selling a kid, the costs I take into account are-

1- Stud fees (or how much it cost me to get the mother pregnant).
2- Disbudding fees (whether its the vets bills or your own)
3- Cost for vaccinating the kids mother just before kids are born
4- Registration fees (for the kids)
5- How old is the kid- have I had other costs, if the kid is older, worming, vaccination.
6- CAE testing the mother before it is born
7- Ear tag cost

I can't think of anything else, but by the time you add up all of that, there's not a huge profit on selling a kid!

Beth


Forgot to add

Cost 8- Blue tongue vaccination

langdon

  • Joined Sep 2009
  • Pembrokeshire
  • The Happy Smallholder!
Re: selling kids
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 10:23:10 pm »
you know what im going to ask!!!!!
as short as poss(for your sake!!!)
what is it ;)
Langdon ;)

ballingall

  • Joined Sep 2008
  • Avonbridge, Falkirk
Re: selling kids
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2010, 10:43:42 pm »
Blue tongue is this http://www.defra.gov.uk/foodfarm/farmanimal/diseases/atoz/bluetongue/index.htm

Vaccination is not compulsary for goats (mainly because the vaccine isn't licensed for goats) but it is compulsary for sheep and cattle (something to bear in mind if you were thinking of getting either). There were movement restrictions last summer, however now that all of the UK is a Protection zone that shouldn't apply.

Beth


shetlandpaul

  • Joined Oct 2008
Re: selling kids
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 04:03:26 am »
were not and don't need the jab unless taking them south. we have pretty tough rules on animals coming in so hopefully we never get it. if we do with the number of midges we get the animals are doomed.

 

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