[sandy]

Nite nite Russ, enjoy your posts like I said, a film score 

[RUSTYME]

night night mate ....


cheers

Russ

[Hardfeather]

As the last light in the house went out, a dozen black-clad figures emerged from the shadows...........................

[sheila]

Wow! Russ. You can articulate it much better then me but I agree with everything you say. I was heavily involved in the miners strike and saw terrible things perpetrated by our "upholders of the law". While ever the media is controlled then so will the people be manipulated into saying " why worry of you are doing nothing wrong"

[Hardfeather]

The hunt supporters rally was another example of heavy handed police work.

I suppose it's only to be expected, though, when you think about the rate at which the human population of the world is increasing. The less room there is, the more trouble there will be, and  the government are desperate to keep control.

You just can't rely on the police the way you could at one time, when they were seen as decent, trustworthy law keepers. I tried to explain to my six year old son the other day that the police are the people to turn to if he was ever lost, for example. He said, " but Daddy, I don't want them to come to the house and take you away for not looking after me." Apparently he'd seen/heard something on the tv which gave him that idea.

I am always conscious of the effect that background noise can have on childrens' perceptions of the world. It's becoming very difficult to balance.

[doganjo]

"well if you are doing nothing wrong , then what does it matter ?" , it matters a lot

That's the bit I really don't understand.  Why does it matter?

[sheila]

Do we want a police force that interprets the law, or one that upholds the law of the land which has been arrived at by democratic means? it is not for a police officer to decide that I am guilty. That is the job of a judge and jury.

[RUSTYME]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Tomlinson

I would say ask the two blokes above ....but you can't .. they are dead ...but you could ask their families ?
 Both of these innocent men were lawfully going about their everyday actions. When one was shot in the head 7 times at point blank range, (that means less the 12" ) , and once in the shoulder ( I bet the copper that fired that shot was for the high jump !!) .
 The other walking home from work to have his tea with his family when he was attacked from behind by a policeman with a baton,  and then smashed to to floor , from behind again !! by the same policeman !!!  
 "If you are doing nothing wrong , what does it matter ?"  The above, is why it matters !!!

cheers

Russ

[sandy]

Understand Russ....I am now...at my stage of life...not worth looking at....people will have nothing to win accusing me of anything, in fact, I am beyond care. I spent years of my life being vulnerable, working in child protection, youth work and fostering...anyone could say things about me and it would be hard to prove otherwise...Men have it bad...I worked in a children's home and in a boared moment looked at the files and noticed one of my ex boyfriends, my age, worked there and had a breakdown being accused of all sorts.....I do not care now..bring it on...if someone wants to say I have done something...good luck. My best friend (darn't say who he is/was) was VERY millitant, served sentence and his brother is still incarserated, he told me loads of political stuff, I have seen people being victimised, he was and still could be be has changed his identity.......As I said, I doubt anyone would want to pin point me, nothing to gain but, if they wanted to, it would be harder to prove innocence than to prove guilt....Peace man

[RUSTYME]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/25/police-surveillance-protest-domestic-extremism

Yes I know what you mean Sandy , I am the same ... people can call me what they want !!! don't really bother me ...most of it I would probably agree with anyway ..But as the link above shows , even lawful innocent people are being branded EXTREMISTS , and are going on national and therefore EU data bases !!! A person could go on a protest about dog cruelty , and end up on the Domestic Extremist list . They would then be known throughout the uk and Europe as an extremist. No more innocent holidays in the sun for them !!!
 The police are out of control . I don't mean every single individual PC ..but  the people that run and control it . They , like politicians, think they are beyond  account to the UK public . That they are somehow not subject to the same laws that we are ....they are . They have somehow changed what the police should be about . They have become a very sinister , politically corrupt body .
 I think George Orwell must have borrowed HG wells' time machine before he wrote '1984' . In many respects we have gone much further than he wrote about . In others we are still on the way ... but the men in black are getting us there.....


cheers


Russ

[sandy]

You are a lot like my brother, he warned me years ago..He was against animal cruelty but dare not join Greenpeace as you then become a militant...he is strange enough anyway..well...so am I. I always wounder how people just follow and do not question?my brother went to a shop with cash to buy a laptop and was asked his name adress etc and said NO so waled out!!! I agree, in fact the worse thing was when I bought a pair of DcMartin shoes, about 10 years ago...why Oh why did I give them my name and address? As I still work in the care field, my name must be branded around all the time with police checks etc...nevermind.......Anyway, if you are a sucessful criminal you are OK, they are immune (I know a few of them) but the jack the lad, runners are always caught...the pawns in the game of life

[Snoopy]

Well all I can say is we voted NO to Lisbon in the first Democratic vote.

Then we went again and voted NO to Lisbon in the non-democracy vote.

Trouble is - all the local Irish folk here were of the opinion of

"you may as well vote yes - as it isn't going to go away"  this is what we were told by several neighbours and the postman

So I am not responsible for this - I voted NO but hey - the government wont be putting up any surveilance cameras on my mountain - so quite safe out here in the sticks - the only cameras watching things - belong to us   and there usually watching piggies having even more bloomin piggies 

[sandy]

Hi...that was strange, could have modified your post snoopy, not sure how but it came up to modify..never mind!!! We have 2 cameras outside, they are supposed to be on the ancient stone, shaped like a phalic symbol...The Stone of Mannan....BUT...they could look straight into my/our house...GOOD LUCK to them!!Let them watch me picking my nose

[Snoopy]

 

We don't have curtains or blinds in our bedroom, and the other night I was saying to Joe that maybe now its dark early, and people might walk down the country lane, that we maybe should put up a rail.

He said he doubts anyone is desperate enough to walk 3km from the nearest village, halfway up a mountain to look into our bedroom window, and they would have to scramble in the forestry and climb a 50ft tree to get a good view of  anything

I think that's Irish for "if you want a curtain rail up - do it yourself" 

[sandy]

We stayed in a remote spot in suth lanarkshire, not so remote as you though, one night a load of men passed buy and stopped with huge lights, they were off Deer Hunting....never walked around half nude again