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SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
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Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2014, 11:00:33 am »
The Shetlands I took to the abbatoir earlier in the year graded R3L, which I was pleased with - and I've had said they're were a 3, from handling them, so that was reassuring. That involved cake as well as grass and hay.

Gosh, that's really encouraging :)

You're definitely going to be better selling direct then.  Either through the mart or through a buyer - but not through the ring.

Our buyer, who runs the collection centre where we take ours, wants batches of 20 really, because it makes the handling and paperwork much simpler, but when he's short he'll take batches of 7-10.  (Commercials, you'd probably get more Shetlands in the same pen sizes.) 

There will be other buyers, and you've a few larger marts within striking distance who could collate larger batches from a number of smaller farms.  I wish I'd known at the weekend - we were at a Barbie with one of the auctioneers from Penrith; I could've sounded him out.  I'll be seeing him again in a couple of months, I'll try to remember to discuss it with him.

Or, Kendal are doing some Rare Breed sales now, and working with the RBST.  I wonder if they could be persuaded to put together batches of these sorts of sheep...  :thinking:  I might have a chat to Ruth about that...

The problem with just keeping commercial breeds is the same as the Roughs - I can't manage them.
I feel your pain!  (Quite literally. ::))

I was thinking about your predicament as I did my rounds yesterday, and wondering about suggesting Swales.  Good local breed, actually nice to spin I have recently discovered, and the undercoat is pretty soft too, and very much more manageable than chunky commercials or the bigger hill breeds.

If you had a Leicester tup - great soppy things; big and heavy yes, but very very tameable, and not horned - then you'd have mule ewe lambs to sell and mule wethers to fatten or would sell readily in the store.

But if you can do R3L with your Shetlands, at > 36kgs, then it's about marketing, not about the product :)   And I know you would rather support a minority breed.

Then again I could just give up I suppose.
:hug:  I hope it won't come to that!

The other thing I have pondered, for my own fleece sheep too, is whether we really need to breed them every year.  If we breed for nice fleeces, then we should be able to sell the fleeces, and given that we have the land in the first place, the annual costs of keeping a sheep that isn't going to lamb are pretty low...  I haven't worked out how low, mind.  I guess that would make them pretty much pets, but pets that cover their variable costs - and if having them about the place makes us happy, who's to say we shouldn't do it?

But like you, I'd rather find a way of making these native, primitive and rare breeds of sheep work in at least a semi- commercial context, because if we can't then they are doomed, really, aren't they.
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

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Sbom

  • Joined Jul 2012
  • Staffordshire
Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2014, 11:17:47 am »
Jaykay

My blue texel cross lambs are up on their feet and sucking really quick, quicker than Charolais x that I used to have and loads quicker than Suffolk (although that's not hard!)
They also lamb easily and although I don't breed them in there first year ( my choice for any breed ) even the first timers lamb with ease.
I have only bred him to white sheep except for the one 1/2 bt ewe I have and both her lambings have produced one blue ewe lamb and one white tup lamb!
They're not the biggest of sheep but have good confirmation and lambs grow well on grass alone.
He actually came from someone as payment for a debt but think it was around £150 owed. The guy bred pedigree texel and beltex but now only has beltex.
Shame you weren't closer as you could have borrowed him to try. We were supposed to be selling him as I need a zwartble tup this year but he's such a character that he's going to be staying. He currently lives with the cows by choice as he seems to think he is a small cow with a fetish for female sheep!

jaykay

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Cumbria/N Yorks border
Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2014, 11:53:39 am »
Good info, thanks Sbom. Ok £150 is do-able and it's good to hear that you like him around so much you're hanging onto him  :) Lol on him thinking he's a cow  :D and thanks for the offer if I was closer.

I was thinking I'd keep a Shetland tup to use on my shearlings, and the blue Texel for the older ewes.

The only place I can find selling any blue Texel tups is a sale at the end of August in Carlisle, but that's 'top of the range' and they're only bringing 20 tups - too exclusive for me.

Sally, it's not so much supporting a minority breed, as to be honest, Shetlands barely are any more, it's just finding some sheep I can manage on my own, without a dog or decent pens. The Shetlands are good in that respect, as long as I can breed lambs I can sell to help cover costs. I wouldn't manage lambing time without lambs of my own.

Pinning my hopes on a crossing tup, hopefully a blue Texel.

Me

  • Joined Feb 2014
  • Wild West
Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2014, 12:27:42 pm »
A BT should be fine on shearlings, don't over feed! You wont need two tups and wont have such a mix of lamb types to sell.
Everyone gets tucked up at the mart on occasion. I heard one dealer say to another in front of a pen of mine "we can't do that, the boys just stood behind us!" hhmmm read into that what you will

SallyintNorth

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Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2014, 01:56:02 pm »
You'll go to the sale at Carlisle though?  Sometimes there's one or two that fetch a lot less - and since you would opt for a smaller one by preference, you just might get lucky.  I couldn't see a catalogue yet - will they sell aged tups?  Sometimes you can get real bargains that way.

And you could also discuss with the breeders if any of them have a tup lamb that is a good sheep but for some reason not such a good Texel, which therefore could be a perfectly usable crossing tup.  (Not that that would help you this year, but could maybe source one for next year.)

Or... what about a Texel or Beltex x Shetland tup?  We know there are people using Shetland tups on their Beltex and Texel hoggs... so there must be some crossbred tup lambs getting born...

You'll figure something out  :hug:
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Victorian Farmer

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Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2014, 02:45:22 pm »
I sold 150 for 60 pound in the  Christmas mart I've NaW got rid of the lot Chickins as well there is no money in ether .I lambd for a farm in Stanford good pay I naw just do work for others and it works. Fed up loosing money on stock .

Sbom

  • Joined Jul 2012
  • Staffordshire
Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2014, 05:09:09 pm »
I'd contact people who are selling at the sale as they will more than likely have loads at home that just aren't good enough to sell at a big sale but more than good enough for x breeding  :thumbsup:

Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2014, 05:36:00 pm »
You could try a Down breed for a good carcase, easy birth and good fleece.  Our Badger Face x Southdown come out  white, maybe with a little marbling on the nose, but a much better conformation generally and back end in particular than their mamas.  Mostly butcher them for ourselves or sell the surplus ram lambs as stores at market (don't mention the breeds involved) and they go for the same as commercial crosses.

Remy

  • Joined Dec 2011
Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2014, 09:15:16 pm »
I've had a foray into the pedigree market but it wasn't for me, much as I love the Gotland and Zwartbles it was too difficult for me to sell at a good price as you have to be a well known breeder for that, and the lambs don't have the bulk that the markets like so I have gone back to concentrating on commercial crosses.  I have Charollais ewes as well as crosses, and I use a Ryeland tup who has produced lovely meaty market lambs, the only criticism is that they have huge thick fleeces!  I will also be looking to get a Texel tup this year so I can mix between the two rams.  I tried a Zwartbles ram on my ewes, the lambs were lovely but didn't make the weight and were sold as stores.


I've had some interesting crosses such as Zwartbles x Gotland; Gotland x Herdwick; Zwartbles x Charollais and I managed to sell all the non commercial lambs on Preloved but the purebreds were sold for much less than I paid initially for the ewes.


It's only a hobby for me and I won't make a fortune, but it has been interesting journey, I am building up my own home bred commercials and will keep a group of around 20 ewes.

1 horse, 2 ponies, 4 dogs, 2 Kune Kunes, a variety of sheep

Azzdodd

  • Joined Apr 2012
Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2014, 06:42:53 pm »
What about a cheviot? A friend off mine has 8 cheviot x Shetland ewes and there amazing mums better than any off her others she says....she puts her with a Dutch texel tup gets good lambs from them.....another what about a zwarble? I have 2 Shetland ewes who will be going with my zwarble tup this yeah :)

Victorian Farmer

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Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2014, 11:21:44 am »
You must remember that the mart won't £18 in everey 100 pound so you need a good price for the stock.

waterbuffalofarmer

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Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2014, 09:56:42 pm »
My dad used to cross british milksheep with Lleyn and it worked very well.
Hope this helps
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jaykay

  • Joined Aug 2012
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Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2014, 12:04:37 pm »
I've emailed one set of people who are going to the sale - no reply yet, will do the others this evening.

I've added that if it works well, I will be telling everyone at the Shetland Society and on here........

SallyintNorth

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Re: Rather discouraged - prices at mart
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2014, 12:13:57 pm »
I've added that if it works well, I will be telling everyone at the Shetland Society and on here........

 :thumbsup:
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

 

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