[sandy]

Wish I knew that about Heroin before, I have  been to countless meeting, training and read loads of info about drugs but never heard of that...if I'd had know that I would have stood up at one of the big conferences and said it .....most cultures have their form of escapism, mostly from plants and herbs and fungus but the toxins from the unrefined stuff harm the liver not so much the Taylor made stuff!!! I recently read a book about a distant cousin who lived at first with the Cree Indians and then the Inuit, eventually marrying a Shamans daughter.....they know a thing or two about drugs Me...I am an honest person, just pay for my wine and need no other stimulants except that what life dishes out

[Norfolk Newby]

I got the heroin item from a fairly reliable source. I don't think the company which developed it wants the information circulated so it isn't easy to confirm. It is a well known company though.

My point was - under all the waffle - that we are paranoid about things labelled 'drugs' and accept other things without question; alcohol, tobacco, food additives, chemicals in household products.

Not having access to stimulants of good quality because of legal constraints just feeds the gangs and people get poisoned by bad stuff.

If you want another example of good intentions going wrong, read about the US prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s (Google 'Volstead Act'). Read about Al Capone and friends, people poisoned by low quality booze and corruption of the police.

I would never encourage anyone to use any drug - alcohol and tobacco being top of the list. But if you ban something - people want it. It might be a good idea to run classes in school 'Compulsory Drugs' so that teenagers are forced to face the prospect of harming themselves and destroying their future by using these materials.

NN

[RUSTYME]

http://www.opioids.com/heroin/heroinhistory.html

the information in the link covers about everything to do with the creation / invention of heroin, and aspirin too.    The same information is available elsewhere too , and confirms the information in the link .
   Heroin, has been around since 1874  (Diacetylmorphine, a white, odourless, bitter, crystalline powder deriving from morphine, had been invented in 1874 by an English chemist, C R Wright) . but was launched by Bayer in 1898 under the trademark of HEROIN.
   

cheers

Russ

[Snoopy]

Seriously Norfolk Newbie, is that where Heroin comes from?  Wow never new that!

I would love to give up smoking - when I've tried I've used those lozenges you suck.  They work very well, but I always fold in about week 6 when you are supposed to cut down the Lozenges.  So I stop smoking get addicted to lozenges try to stop them and start smoking again! Argh!

DON'T LEAVE IT TOO LATE

I gave up smoking in January 2004, I decided it was time - new years resolution etc. 

I went on the Nicorette patches, I smoked 20 Consulate per day for five years, before that I had stopped for five years after smoking since I was eighteen.

I spent VALENTINE'S day of 2004 in hospital - recovering from MAJOR Surgery for CANCER of the Cervix and Ovary and to stop it spreading to the breast.

I was told by the doctors that I could not have my nicorette patches as they were not allowed when you were on such a strong painkiller as Morphene - so the Nurses said "go outside and have a smoke" youre coping with enough already           

Needless to say,    I went cold turkey -  
Having only been just under nine stone all my life, and having just had a full bucket of my body removed under anasthesia for seven hours -    I decided that smoking was for suckers.

Never touched one since, will say I fancy one on regular occasions, but will never do it again.

A bit too late though - the horse had already bolted   

I am suffering from underlying illnesses of the Bowel, Bladder, Liver, awaiting more surgery for a 4cm diaphram hole and on 80mg of Nexium per day for a Hiatus Hernia  ( Can't operate until next year) , Have either M.E. or Fibromalgia, but as no test and no belief in these by my doctor, suffering daily and unable to work, sometimes cannot even get out of bed (Today is one of those days - typing from my bed), Sleep Apnoe, Restless Lef Syndrome, and full on sinus infections to name afew.
Also far over weight becuase liver not processing fats (metabolism at zero) and weigh 5 stone more than 2004.

BUT - I DONT SMOKE    ( I think I may have made a mistake - was fitter when I did lol )
 

[sandy]

 :bouquet:Wow, you have a lot to put up with!!! and you fell down the stairs!!!!! My partner is giving up again and is tempted to smoke when he is with other smokers but he feels and looks so much fitter!!! I have never smoked, I just overeat!!!!! Thanks, you have given me a reality check as I feel a bit stiff and moany today!!!!!!!