Author Topic: Forensics anyone?  (Read 27435 times)

Fleecewife

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Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2014, 08:16:20 am »
I haven't done mine yet either.  In fact I seem to be falling behind, with a couple of busy days elsewhere.  Thought I'd just read the first three chapters of the US book, and maybe ch 2 of the Brit one in case they're relevant.
You've set the standard for the tests MGM  ;D
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Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
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Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2014, 08:44:56 am »
Haven't got to the test yet this week. OH is away at the weekend so will be able to concentrate a bit more then. Worried now that I have to compete with 12/12  :(
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Fleecewife

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Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2014, 04:02:52 pm »
Haven't got to the test yet this week. OH is away at the weekend so will be able to concentrate a bit more then. Worried now that I have to compete with 12/12  :(


Wait til I get my result this week - then you'll be laughing  :roflanim:  Anyway, you don't have to compete with anyone - this course is only for our own info and interest and we do it at our own pace. I'm finding the actual learning this week quite hard, as my memory seems to struggle compared with 30 years ago  :dunce: and there's not time to go over it often enough for it to stick in my brain.
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Fleecewife

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Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2014, 04:42:08 pm »
I'd seen these courses from another source and signed up for Climate Change and Power of Brands courses then spotted this post and mentioned it yo my wife who is now signed up on the Forensic one.

Is Mrs Dreich Pete catching up?  Hope she enjoys the course.
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Bramblecot

  • Joined Jul 2008
Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2014, 04:51:16 pm »
I'm fascinated by what you are learning.  I did my forensic training in 1980 and was the first woman that attended the course in London (it was not considered 'womens' work' back then ::) ) - how things have changed! I 'd love to see how they approach the subject now, but I'll have to content myself with Silent Witness tonight

Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2014, 11:27:28 pm »
I only did ok because I did it straight away. I doubt I'd have been able to manage 12 if I'd had to leave it a while. You people are all a  lot busier than me during the day. I've got the time to kill so can put the time in.

Fleecewife

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Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2014, 12:09:08 pm »

11/12 for week two - I told you Bionic  ;D  I probably shouldn't have done it so late at night when my memory is worse than usual.  Also I had just finished reading those book chapters so my brain was overfull of facts and too much detail.
Excuses, I know  :eyelashes:

Started doing my finger prints last night too - lots of wrinkles  :o  Will try to find a better magnifier today to see if I can see pores.
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

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Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
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Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2014, 11:33:50 pm »
Well done, FW. I'm looking forward to this week's. I seem to be learning a lot at the moment. I'm training to be a Samaritan and a Crisis Support Officer and everything is happening at once.


Keeps me out of mischief though.  :eyelashes:

Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2014, 08:40:45 am »
I got 12/12 this week but did cheat a bit. I got stuck on one and went back to review the work before I answered it.
I tried to do my fingerprints but couldn't find a soft pencil and it didn't work with the harder one.
As I am off on my hols later this week I will get behind with the course but will try to catch up when I get back.
Lesley, I looked at training for Samaritans also but the nearest place is an hours drive from here so I decided it was a bit too much. I am looking at doing something for the Shannon Trust, which although is in the same area as the Samaritans, means I don't have to go there so often. Some of it can be done from home I believe.
 
 
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Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2014, 12:20:49 pm »
Ooooh come on, PLEEEASE let us know the sort of things going on, I would love to have tried this but didn't dare commit 3hrs? a week, too much going on with years' final accounts deadline, VAT deadline, house we are renovating being trashed and our house still like a building site.
I think China was ahead of the west in most things? they fell back for awhile but now things are turning again?
pores? I'm curious about that.
 

Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2014, 12:06:47 am »
I had a lazy day today until this evening's training, so I haven't had a look at it yet.


Sally, I'm enjoying the training and looking forward to being a Sam in a few weeks' time. The training takes quite a long time though.

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
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Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2014, 12:54:13 am »
Ooooh come on, PLEEEASE let us know the sort of things going on, I would love to have tried this but didn't dare commit 3hrs? a week, too much going on with years' final accounts deadline, VAT deadline, house we are renovating being trashed and our house still like a building site.
I think China was ahead of the west in most things? they fell back for awhile but now things are turning again?
pores? I'm curious about that.

It started with a general overview of forensic science and where it fits in the judicial system.  In the first week we were presented with a fictional crime scene, based on a real case.  We see how the scene was dealt with by all the agencies involved such as police and forensics.  Each week we then look at a particular aspect of the forensics armoury, then how it was applied in our particular crime and the results of each test.  Last week we looked at fingerprinting and finger mark analysis, how the two are compared, databases, potential for errors, all that sort of stuff.  We saw how finger mark retrieval would be carried out at our crime scene and had a go at taking our own prints.


If you want to have a go at this it's fun.  You need some white paper, a soft pencil (I used 3B), some sellotape and a magnifying glass.  Scribble the pencil on a sheet of paper then rub one finger end in it, then press/roll your finger onto the sticky side of the sellotape, making sure you capture the swirly pattern.  Next stick the tape onto the white paper and you will see your print.  With a normal household magnifier you can see the pattern of swirls and loops and some secondary features of detail.  At a higher magnification you can see the pores (sweat pores) along each ridge.  It's the sweat from these pores which leave the print.

We also learned about how and why the fingerprints are first grown in the foetus.

This week we will be doing DNA, and to start with we are considering some of the human rights issues with a DNA database, and the degree of accuracy possible - and what can lead to mistakes.  There will be blood spatter and such wonders to see.   You can go into as much or as little detail as is appropriate for you, with extra reading suggested for more detail.  Throughout you can join a discussion about the week's topic - but with about 25,000 folk from all over the world doing this, it's hard to get a conversation going.

There are still things like tool marks, footprint analysis and so on to do, then in the last week we have an overall discussion and we see whodunit  :idea:
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Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2014, 09:01:12 pm »
Well explained, FW.  ;D


I have just been doing some studying. I save all the video transcripts but I do wish that the diagrams that Niamh puts on were included. They are so helpful.

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
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Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2014, 12:13:33 am »
I haven't looked at the transcripts, but my memory works better if I write things down, so I listen to/watch everything a second time and note down the salient points.  I don't look at it again but just the act of writing it helps me to remember.
I'm about to try to do another hour, but it's late and I'm tired.  Earlier I was nodding off while watching one of the videos  ::)
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

 Love your soil - it's the lifeblood of your land.

Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: Forensics anyone?
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2014, 12:19:21 am »
Gosh it sounds realy interesting, so what's the difference between finger prints and finger marks? and why DO fingerprints develop in the foetus?
DNA and human rights sounds like a minefield in itself! I've said it wouldn't bother me to be on a database, but then I started wondering what problems could arise
If another course comes up in the future I think I'll have ago, just no time right now  :(

 

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