Thank you Mammishaz
Isn't it funny how something which is a puzzle to one person is obvious to someone else further from the problem
You and happygolucky are right in that she is desperate to get out first, in case there's something exciting out there (sometimes there are rabbits, their favourite game). The two dogs are intensely competitive so that will be part of the problem.
We had tried getting them to sit before the door opens, but obviously it takes everyone to act in the same way, and one of us can't be bothered - and it's not me
BUT, thickos that we are, we were only doing it at night. It's obvious now you point it out, that we need to start with getting them to sit before they go out during quiet times, especially when it's raining and they don't want to go out anyway, as well as at exciting times. They are fairly good at some commands although it's taken a while with Lucy - her bad dog name is Lucifer
to give a hint as to how long it took her to even listen to commands. The not looking at her, folding my arms and turning my back on her, does work - it was a shepherdess on here whose avatar I'm not sure of who showed us how effective that can be (thank you - you know who you are
)
So, the training starts now
Maybe something similar will work for Rip the JR who makes an oh so infuriating endless yipping yapping when he is about to be let out of the car - Lucy is fine then