Author Topic: Pinkeye.  (Read 14966 times)

Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Pinkeye.
« on: June 03, 2013, 01:35:50 am »
Got Pinkeye. Got Orbenin. Got a totally blind yearling despite applying Orbenin every day since I spotted her eyes looking sticky. Have now another yearling with a sticky eye. A few questions.
1. Should I be applying cream a few times a day rather than just once? No instructions on tube and never had eyes this bad before.
2. Should I separate any suspect sheep from rest of flock?
3. How long will this take to bugger off?

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2013, 12:55:36 pm »
Orbenin is once per three days. Usually they do recover fully, even when they go completely blind. IME, it'll go thru the flock, little you can do to curtail it, sadly.
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Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2013, 03:10:45 pm »
Thanks Sally. Had a feeling we were in for the long haul on this one  :gloomy:

Remy

  • Joined Dec 2011
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2013, 08:56:11 pm »
Amanda, I had this last summer and bizzarely it affected more of the Gotlands than the others.  I researched it on the net and the consensus was that it will generally run it's course despite medication, so considering the cost of Orbenin and the number of sheep that had it (not to mention even trying to get it into reluctant sheeps' eyes) I concluded it wasn't worth me trying to administer it.


It ran rife for a couple of months, some sheep who had it once got it again, some looked so bad I thought they would lose their eyes - but all recovered and there were only one or two Gotlands who retained a slightly blue tinge to the eye despite being able to see fine.
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VSS

  • Joined Jan 2009
  • Pen Llyn
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Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 09:09:42 pm »
It is one of those things that just has to run its course - ointment rarely does much good.

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Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2013, 10:40:25 pm »
Oh my, that is news indeed. It's awful having to put Orbenin in their eyes, not least of all because it's in a hard plastic syringe type dispenser and the slightest struggle could warrant a poke in the eye with that and how's THAT gonna help an already sore eye?! Plus it's so hard to get the amount out you need. I waste so much as nothing comes out with pressing the plunger and then a load comes out when the eye is no longer at the end of it :rant: So you really reckon we should let it run? How do you manage the flock whilst it's all 'running it's course'. I've got this little girl segregated at the moment with water, hay and feed all within access. Don't know if I can do that with a potential 20 of them  :o  though I guess if we have to we have to. Or...should I just leave them all on the field together? The girl I have separate was sat in the blazing sun (Yup we had some!) whilst all her mates were sat in the shade under the trees and then was hurting herself with running into stuff and other sheep. Oh I'm so confused on this one  :-\

Blacksheep

  • Joined May 2008
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 07:21:59 am »
Hi Pedwardine, we had a problem this last year from a ewe lamb we bought in, I read on a farming forum that orbenin is not effective in sheep pinkeye, it is a different bug to the one that causes it in cattle which orbenin is effective for.  The suggestion was to use a quick spray of terramycin or use a drycow tube. We  tried both and the terramycin spray was really effective, whilst I am sure it must sting whilst being sprayed, it is very quick, you don't risk poking them in the eye with a tube, and it cleared the problem up really quickly without needing repeat treatments, a couple of lambs that were bad had a jab of allamycin too. 
It is worth keeping affected sheep separated from the rest of the flock whilst they recover if you can to limit the spread of infection.

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
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Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 09:47:35 am »
The only proviso I'd have about keeping affected sheep separately is to try to have them outdoors rather than indoors.  It's been through all my pet lambs this year, and without exception, those who were struggling to shake it off improved markedly when they were promoted to the grass pen. 

I think pinkeye does have to run its course but it can be helpful to treat any secondary infections. 

I have been using Orbenin on those whose infection has proven stubborn, and/or got secondary infections (probably through rubbing their itchy eyes where others have done the same before...  ::)) and found it really has helped, not least because it's soothing.  I could readily believe that the a/bs in Orbenin were addressing only the secondary infections and not the underlying pinkeye; We have used the dry cow tubes in the past and I think they were as useful in that respect.
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Blacksheep

  • Joined May 2008
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2013, 01:15:29 pm »
Yes Sally, that is what is was told about the Orbenin, it just helps to sooth rather than treat the infection, I think it is penicillin based, whereas terramycin/allamycin will treat the pink eye. Certainly all cleared up very quickly once we changed from using orbenin to terramycin  and stopped it spreading, I think having the spray around the eye too must kill the bacteria from the tears and help to limit the spread of infection too. We certainly had no recurrence either fortunately.


Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 09:01:27 pm »
When you say the terramycin spray, is that the blue antibiotic spray?  I'm wary of spraying that into a sheep's eye and my vet was rather surprised at the suggestion. However, as I see the problem spreading as I'd anticipated it would I'm willing to try anything that's proven to be effective. I thought a saline solution may also help soothe the eyes and I'm collecting some Oxycare for injection tomorrow. The vet is giving me a bottle with an eyedropper to enable me to more easily apply the ointment with a reduced risk of damage to the eye by poking. Maybe a saline solution will do the same job as the cream from what you're all saying though. Cheaper too! We'll have to try rig up some outdoor pens tomorrow if this also makes for speedier recovery. It's so distressing to see them like this isn't it!

Blacksheep

  • Joined May 2008
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2013, 09:18:50 pm »
Hi yes we used the blue antibiotic spray, and whilst not nice for them it is quick and they have their eyes closed most of the time but seemed to just manage to get enough in to do the job and the infection was limited to some of the ewe lambs last year. As we found it worked well I think it is better than letting the sheep have prolonged infection, none of them got to the point of having cloudy eyes.
When we had it the first time a few years back we were fairly new to sheep and had bought in some additional sheep from a pedigree sale, we kept them quarenteened for 3 weeks and then thought that they would be fine to go in with the rest of the flock, wrong within a couple of days pink eye started and went through the whole flock, we were given opticlox to treat it with, again not an effective antibiotic for it, and they just seemed to keep getting reinfected, a real nightmare with some of them getting cloudy eyes, I then ended up with an allergic reaction to the pencillin in the cream and in A&E on Christmas day with a swollen face!  Didn't realise about the terramycin/allamycin being a better antibiotic for it then and it seemed to go on for ages, really unpleasant for the sheep.
I hope it clears up quickly in your flock

Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 10:13:39 pm »
Thanks BS. Me too. I'll let you know how we get on.

Crofterloon

  • Joined Mar 2012
  • Mintlaw
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2013, 09:06:43 am »
When you say the terramycin spray, is that the blue antibiotic spray?  I'm wary of spraying that into a sheep's eye and my vet was rather surprised at the suggestion. However, as I see the problem spreading as I'd anticipated it would I'm willing to try anything that's proven to be effective. I thought a saline solution may also help soothe the eyes and I'm collecting some Oxycare for injection tomorrow. The vet is giving me a bottle with an eyedropper to enable me to more easily apply the ointment with a reduced risk of damage to the eye by poking. Maybe a saline solution will do the same job as the cream from what you're all saying though. Cheaper too! We'll have to try rig up some outdoor pens tomorrow if this also makes for speedier recovery. It's so distressing to see them like this isn't it!
I used injectable Terramycin on 4 ewes this year seemed to work in most cases have re-injected the ewes again and injected Voren which I got off the Vet. There is a 55 day withdrawal period but as they are ewes which I am keeping anyway. I have never heard of anyone spaying into the eyes. I have used cream before.

Alicenz

  • Joined Apr 2013
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2013, 09:33:51 am »
Hi Pedwardine, hmmm well...I have over the years picked up four lambs that have been totally blind from pinkeye, and definitely don't recommend leaving it to run its course if it is really bad and making them blind or ulcerated. 

Most lambs will get it not too badly and come through fine, others don't. It looks incredibly uncomfortable and yes is distressing to see. Of course some of the lambs will come right on their own, but if they don't you end up with  eyes that have ulcerated and permanently blind sheep like my Alice.

The treatment I did was over two months of DAILY treatment with orbinan (these are the blind ones, the ones that are not too bad can probably be much less often and just over a week or so- maybe two or three treatments) On my friends farm the orphans often get it because they are confined to a smaller area, and this is usually all it takes to fix the problem.  These ones clear up within two weeks.  However in saying this, even though these lambs are all sleeping and feeding together it doesn't mean they all get it.

Three of the four blind ones got much of their sight back, except Alice is blind as she was left too late without any treatment and Biddy is blind in one eye that ulcerated. That eye is kind of huge now, healed up (the vet had to sew it shut until it healed)  Initially i used a powder spray given by a vet that deals only with farm animals and it did nothing.  The vet  I go to now, said orbinan would fix it and it did. 

One that was very bad had a few injections over the period of intracillan LA as well - assume what is suggested above by Blacksheep is similar.  i would always talk to the vet about doing that in the future, now i know it helps.

In-curving eyelashes can also make a lamb susceptible to it, one of the lambs (Biddy) had this and the vet injected saline i think it was into the lid to stop it curving in. This was sooo much easier then pinching it to uncurl it and so much less painfull for the lamb. However it may be a bit difficult to take all the lambs to the vet when there are lots of lambs. Although you sound like it is just a few that have it.  Its important to check that they don't have in-curving eyelids if they have pinkeye

If your lamb is totally blind, I do suggest checking if the orbinen you have should be used daily, as the stuff we have here in NZ is. and I think i was applying it twice a day.  Id squat down tip the lamb up hold its head firmly against my chest so it cant move it  hold the lower eyelid open a bit and put a generous squirt of orbinan in.  If i was having problems with the orbinan tube I would have very clean hands and put a big bit on my finger and into the eye. Was very easy. May not be quite as sterile as one would like, but better than risking a poke in the eye.Orbinan is cheap here - in terms of saving sight its very cheap, but yes the oozing out is annoying. 

 It takes at least three or four weeks to get the sight back.  the lamb will get used to the routine, but it is alot of work. But once you are in a routine it only takes a couple minutes, and better than a blind sheep. Its actually wonderful to see them start to get their sight back. 

It spreads badly only when they are confined closely together  (like orphan lambs often are) so it doesn't mean everyone will get it when they are out in a paddock

If your lamb is blind she needs a safe paddock  so she can get used to it, and perhaps a friend or maybe the other with pink eye.  Separating them means you are less likely to have it go through the lot.

oh such good luck to you with your wee blind one, and don't panic the others probably wont all get it.





Pedwardine

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • South Lincolnshire
Re: Pinkeye.
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2013, 09:47:45 am »
Thanks Lisa, that's really encouraging and helpful. Have picked up some Oxycar antibiotic this morning. I think we'll put her in an outdoor pen as has been suggested. I can put other less affected girls in with her and they can all recover together. I don't think loneliness aids recovery do you?

 

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