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Womble

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Stirlingshire, Central Scotland
Back problems?
« on: February 09, 2013, 09:08:30 am »
I was going to post this on the Smallholder Injuries page, but it really isn't funny, so......


I strained a muscle in my back shortly after we moved to our holding, and again (worse) 4 months ago. This left me in agony trying to do the simplest of tasks with the animals. I went to the doctor, who told me to keep active and prescribed ibuprofen. Hey, I've been soldiering on for 3 months and I'm just getting more and more pain! Eventually in desperation I went to see a physiotherapist.  His verdict was that I don't have a bad back at all, but the root cause is that my body is badly aligned and uneven from side to side, particularly the muscles which connect my hips to my pelvis. "So why do I get the shooting pains down my leg if this is all just strained muscle? Surely something's pressing on my sciatic nerve?" I asked. "Well, there can be different causes for that" he replied, rolled me onto my side and pressed his elbow into the side of my bum.  This reproduced the pain exactly and had me yelping in agony!

So, the upshot of all this is that I have been "unbalanced" for years (My wife says she already knew that  of course :-\ ), but the change of lifestyle moving to the smallholding has exacerbated the condition. Over time, daily shifting of logs, buckets of water, bags of feed etc magnified the inbalance until eventually I damaged myself. The truth is this would probably have got me in my fifties anyway, but the smallholding means it happened much earlier.

So, I have daily exersises to do, along with a weekly yoga class (run by a wee bald pot bellied man who looks like a cross between the Buddha and Alexi Sayle, which is in itself just priceless!), and I'm slowly on the road to fixing the root of the problem.  It's really surprised me though, since I thought I had a weak back all along. These things are not always as they seem!

Has anybody else had similar experiences?
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MAK

  • Joined Nov 2011
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Re: Back problems?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 09:26:00 am »
true Womble - pain is never funny especially when you have to just carry doing all the jobs. The GP is right though - keep active BUT I would suggest that before just getting stuck into jobs you could review the best way to do things. I had a spinal fusion when I was 19 and had daily pain when I was not exercising muscles, lounging about and overweight ( large tummy). Now I need a good 45 minutes each morning of gentle moving about before the lifting and carrying. I am 55 now and my back is strong enough not to bother me when I lift blocks of stone, roll tree trunks and generally work outside ( all day every day). BUT maybe I have learnt to think of how to do a job before hand. Not sure this helps you but I hope with some adjustment to how you do things you will be pain free and able to continue with the life you have for many years.

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Marches Farmer

  • Joined Dec 2012
  • Herefordshire
Re: Back problems?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 10:16:28 am »
I'd suggest finding a good osteopath or Alexander Technique therapist (all about aligning the spine correctly).  I met an orthopaedic surgeon who recommended a back belt when doing all strenuous farm work and I followed his advice.  I also try to do heavy work later in the day, once my muscles have had a chance to warm up and stretch a bit.

Fowgill Farm

  • Joined Feb 2009
Re: Back problems?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 10:25:41 am »
My back problems have been well documented on here already but basically i have 3 bulged discs at the bottom of my spine one of which from time to time trashes the sciatic nerve, name the painkiller i've been on it :gloomy:  Avoid Tramadol its the invention of the devil! :tired: :rant: . I ended up have a nerve block last year which has helped tremendously and i've learn't the levels to which i can lift, push, pull etc around the farm, boy do i know when i've overdone it!
For me making sure i'm warm enough, using the correct technique fro the job in hand and the odd handful of ibruprofen keep on top of it, never pain free but manageable. Hot bath & hot water bottle help if its really bad. Staying in bed makes it 10x worse so remaining active is very helpful. I find gentle strolling with the dog very hepful.
Hope yours improves soon
All the best
mandy :pig:
 

NormandyMary

  • Joined Apr 2011
Re: Back problems?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2013, 04:32:45 pm »
I have EXACTLY the same problem as you. Ive had it for years. I actually put my back out leaning over a desk in the bank to move a coffee cup before I saw a customer. It was so embarrassing as I couldnt move.I was crying in pain. I had to call a taxi to take me home, how I got into and out of the bloomin thing Ill never know as just putting my feet down on the ground to walk was agony.
I had a few days off, then one of my managers recommended an osteopath. I got an appointment, and he creaked my back into alignment. He said that it was due to carrying children when they were young which orignally popped my back out. Since that time, its gone bad again a few times, its only gone back after seeing an osteopath or a chiropractor. Its not too good at the moment to be honest and needs to be seen again. It will be a weakness for life, and its bloomin painful. Hope you start to feel better soon.

RUSTYME

  • Joined Oct 2009
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2013, 05:25:16 pm »
Oooooh , bad backs , i got one of those !
Abject agony today and yesterday .
The best it ever gets is like 2 slipped discs , one in the neck and one in the back .
I am almost in orbit with the pain today , and to cap it all my lower back . Just above the hips , is going into meltdown too , as is my right hip and left knee . My right hand is working ish today , but by christ it hurts .
Face feels like it has been kicked by a horse , sinuses , and every step is agony .
Migrain decided to go mental 2 days ago and keep exiting stage left due to  vertigo , the nausea is vile to say the least .
All in all a crap few days ! Felt like sitting down and crying at times , but bollox , it aint beating me .
 Up to the land as always , shoveling more crap than 3 horses can possibly emit in a day , and taking the big burger for a trot along the track , 350 yds x 2 . Walk back from land and take dogs for their walk .
Sitting down now with a cheese sarnie and a coffee or 10 . Just got to feed the dogs , take them for another walk , cook my din dins , may have to  walk down to the shop later , another 2 miles , but then i can die for the evening .
Then tomorrow is ground hog day , just hope the back eases a bit soon .
Pain is a bastard , it can drive you mental . Had this since 1983 so i am used to it now , doesn't mean i like it though , it feckin hurts ! lol .
Take care fellow sufferers .

Tala Orchard

  • Joined Nov 2012
  • North Cornwall
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Re: Back problems?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 05:36:56 pm »
I can sympathise with you as I have a twisted pelvis caused by having a limp and as I favour one leg over the other this over the years has caused my pelvis to twist, not alot can be done just keep taking the pills. 

On the bright side actually walking and working on the holding causes less pain than walking arround a supermarket this I assume is due  to the softer ground and not the hard tarmac and floors of town.

So chin up it can only get worse....lol

Tala
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colliewoman

  • Joined Jul 2011
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Re: Back problems?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 05:39:05 pm »
I highly recommend a good osteopath and codeine phosphate. The doctors like giving ibuprofen which is all well and good except it generally doesn't work on long term back pain. My doctor will gove me codeine when my back plays up BUT, my script says to take 2 tablets 4 times a day. If I did that I would be pink and fluffy and then comatose for a day. I take 2 ONCE a day when I need to and it relaxes the muscles enough to carry on without pain. Then go see an osteo and have the root cause mended :thumbsup:


Be careful with the codeine though as it is addictive after a while so not for long term use. But then ibuprofen rots your innards after too long so really the osteo is the best choice ;)

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scarlettoara

  • Joined Feb 2013
Re: Back problems?
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 06:21:29 pm »
i did alexander techinique night courses for ages for fun but i wasnt in pain in any way, it was v good tho.

i had a painful strained muscle/ligament in my pelvis/hip after my 3rd pregnancy and got physio from the local doctors referral. it was v good and free. just wear proper knickers as they make you strip off -- oops, highly embarrassing g-string moment.   :-[ :-[ :-[ 

back pain is extruciating tho so you have my sympathy. :love:

happygolucky

  • Joined Jan 2012
Re: Back problems?
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 07:00:51 pm »
I got a back toooooo :innocent: mine was due to a dislocated hip from birth...had that done but I too am unbalanced  :innocent:
NOT NICE..... :(
I need to walk and know my limit, sitting or standing too long are equally as bad, hills are horrid and my leg goes dead and can give way....not sure if it was Tramadol  that I had but it did nothing for the pain but made me so very very depressed, I instantly cheered up once off it, so now I just have co codemol, around 8 a day or less if I am not doing too much. ! mistake is to overdo things, I loved shifting some logs, I was in no pain and kept going, then, for weeks after my ribs felt like they had been kicked in.
Best to keep slim (unlike me) keep moving, swimming is great and stop before you overdo things as just 5 min more can lead to 5 days of agony :wave: :wave:

Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: Back problems?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2013, 10:06:34 pm »
Osteo arthritis in my cervical spine and neck (and various other places) as well as rheumatoid arthritis so I am no stranger to pain either and you have my sympathy.  I'd recommend osteopathy as well.  I know a lot of people don't like Tramadol but I do. I take six a day and eight on the odd occasion.  They do reduce the pain for me and the only side effect I have is constipation but eating prunes every day helps with that.  I also take Celebrex with is wonderful.  It is an anti-flammatory that is much stronger than ibuprofen (which did nothing for me) but does have some nasty side effects if you take it long term.  A friend was on it for ten years and started having internal bleeding so was taken off very quickly as this is a rare but recognised side effect of Celebrex.  It's also addictive as is Tramadol.

I'd alspo agree with finding out what is the best way for you to do heavy work (ask your physio for advice on this) and STOP AS SOON AS YOU FEEL PAIN.  Hope you can get your back into alignment soon.
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happygolucky

  • Joined Jan 2012
Re: Back problems?
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 10:14:10 pm »
I was shocked just how bad I felt on Tramadol, I did not enjoy anything until I came off them... :thinking:
Back pain is horrid.....

Simon O

  • Joined Mar 2010
  • Bonkle
Re: Back problems?
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2013, 01:02:31 am »
Yes Womble bad backs can be v debilitating and restricting. I'm a GP myself and have had several bouts of severe back pain over the years but fingers crossed not since I started in small-holding about 2 yr ago perhaps because more physically active. The way that it has affected me is that it can be triggered by a seeming minor episode of inappropriate lifting - you feel it go - it's not too bad this time I think (I Hope!!!) - I keep moving that day, go to bed at night and overnight it stiffens into a situation where the slightest movement of the back sends agonising spasms through you and it takes about half an hour to actually get out of bed in the morning attempting to hold the back in as near a rigid position as poss while moving the limbs miniscule amounts at a time. A few days of that and it gradually starts to settle and I can start to do stretching exercises, and it settles over 2-3 weeks. So in that way it does not sound like yours which has gone on for months. In between times I appear to have no restriction in the amount of weight I can lift or move but am careful in the way that I do it.
I went to see a physio in our occupational therapy dept after my worst bout, and what she said made sense at least in the way it affects me: the back can be primed to 'go' by prolonged periods of flexion and this can be for example sitting in a car seat, prolonged sitting at work, or bending over to do some task such as weeding, or on one occasion for me scraping pain off window frames.. Then following this the back can then go if you try to lift something - even a very light thing - in an inappropriate way ie in a position of flexion. After prolonged bending like this you should always do some extension stretches ie leaning backwards (the lumbar ie lower part of the spine is extended backwards) or the exercises below. You can put a rolled towel behind the lumbar spine in your car-seat or your work chair to maintain a better position of the spine, though newer car and work seats are being made better shaped, or adjustable. When you lift things, even light things, don't lean over forward. Bend the knees and hunker down, keep the spine straight and lift by extending the legs; in particular don't lean the head forward at the neck, but put the head back at the neck in the way you see weight lifters do it when they lift.
These are the exercises I was told and which do seem helpful:-
1. Stand in a door way with the door open, left your arm up sideways so that the elbow is touching the side of the door frame and your feet are set at hip width apart. Tilt your pelvis sideways trying to touch your hip against the door frame, keeping your elbow out horizontally touching the frame. 5 times slowly one way then turn round or move sideways to the other side of the door frame and tilt the pelvis the other way. You will readily find if there is spasm in the muscle of one side of the back that one way is easier than the other (the first time I did this exercise it really brought home to me how much spasm there was on one side of my back compared to the other)
2. Kneel on the floor, then lean forward so you are resting on your straight arms ie you are like a quadruped. First with one leg, lift the knee off the floor and extend the leg back so that it is as straight as possible and then flex that leg forward so that the knee as near as possible touches your chest, then back and straight again, then flex forward again. Slowly back and forward 5 times R leg then 5 times left leg.
3. Lie on your front on floor, the push your arms down on the floor in the way you would if you were doing a press-up but leave your hips/pelvis on the floor. Do this 5 times. The movement of the upper body away from the floor is quite restricted at first but improves as the days go by.
Do all these slowly and with good form at least 3 or 4 times a day; as the days go by the range of movements will increase.
You should do all these exercises always every day in life but of course like anyone I stop doing them once I feel better. Always be concious and careful how you bend and lift. Some tasks can be adapted so they pose less risk eg I do weeding kneeling rather than bending over. Digging is high risk for me but Ok if I watch technique.
Painkillers :- I only take paracetamol - though I often prescribe all these other things to my patients I am too frightened to take them myself eg tramadol (this often seems to send people doolally), diclofenac, diihydrocodeine (low strength cocodamol ie 8/500 or Ibuprofen are probably Ok but i prefer to avoid them). Painkillers work better if you don't take them very often.
Generally i feel best advice comes from physiotherapists.
OK sorry a bit of a long post not sure if too relevant to you David as your pain seems a little different but hopefully might strike a chord with someone  ;) 
 
 

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
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Re: Back problems?
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 02:52:12 am »
Discovering you are unbalanced... not my story, but that of someone close to me.

About 10 years ago he started getting difficulties with one knee; eventually he could barely walk.  He hates doctors and hospitals (scared) so was getting diagnoses from blokes in pubs  ::) but eventually was forced to go for a professional opinion. 

Doc sent him to a chiropractor.  Much improvement, but the chiropractor said (a) it wasn't the knee but the hip and (b) he was uneven, and sent him to a podiatrist.  All kinds of measuring and the verdict was he has one leg 1/2" shorter than the other.  The podiatrist said they don't generally take any action if the difference is less than 1" but he has carried heavy bags over one shoulder, regularly and for some distance, for most of his life, and this was now telling.

The knee pain was from the adjustment the body was making to protect the hip joint which was now worn by the prolonged uneven wear.

He had inserts for his shoes to level him up, and things improved.  A hip replacement was on the cards, however.  He was advised to get as fit as he could, as it would aid his recovery from the replacement.  He got a treadmilll and worked hard at recovering the muscle in that leg.

He had a new hip about 8 years ago.  They gave him cocodamol in the hospital and it nearly killed him, reacting with his blood pressure medication and the anaesthetic  :o but apart from that hiccup he recovered really well and is now very fit and agile again.

Only thing was, they fitted the new hip so that it levelled him up and he had to throw away several £00s-worth of shoes fitted with inserts!   :D
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MAK

  • Joined Nov 2011
  • Middle ish of France
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Re: Back problems?
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2013, 02:38:25 pm »
Just to echo the first part of Simon's long post. Watch the weight, keep active and review the task at hand before using the correct lifting or moving techniques. Since my spinal fusion I have had only 2 bouts of incapaciting pain that due to a poor GP service meant I had ambulances to enjoy brief stays in AE and pain relief. I mention this becuase on both occaisons I was overweight and inactive and the pain came on after a simple trip and poor lifting technique.
Unfortunately I do not have the same confidence in Physios ( despite being "treated" at a sports clinic of a teaching hospital).
20 years ago my Physio had me lying on my back doing leg lifts !! Terrible and if any exercise routine you do does not feel right then it probably isn't. 
Simon can probably add to this but I think a good start point is swimming and regular daily walking then doing more trunk/back exercise. keep the weight off and use the winter and spring to keep active and be ready for the heavy work in the summer. 
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