Author Topic: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...  (Read 9865 times)

FiBob

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Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« on: November 27, 2012, 12:28:58 pm »
Hi all,

Complete newbie to the whole farming scene! I'm trying to write a report on it too! I was wondering, to get a better insight, if anyone could tell me what their current biggest issues are that are affecting the prices of their livestock when they go to slaughter? I'm trying to get a rounded picture, so all information is so gratefully received! This is not just limited to pigs, if you breed other animals, I'd love information on them all! Thank you all in advance!

Fibob

Polished Arrow

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 12:37:23 pm »
Hi there FiBob,

Welcome to TAS.  Draw up a chair, and pass the biscuits, eh?  Hope you'll like it here.  Most TASers seem to be as mad as hatters, but there's a wealth of knowledge and a breadth of experience on the forum that you'd have to go far to find access to through other routes.

It'd be nice to know who you are and what the report is for?  How long, and how detailed is the report to be, and who will be reading it?  What sort of decisions might be made as a result of the report?

There are many different factors that affect prices, as you have rightly noted, but both to know how to respond to your question, it'd be helpful to know where you are coming from.

Are you looking for broad brush stroke answers, or detailed costings?

I'll pop back later (when BT allows - we keep on losing our broadband connection thanks to the rain) and see in more detail what you are looking for. 

 :wave:




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FiBob

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 03:04:25 pm »
Hello PolishedArrow!

Awww, that's really welcoming of you, and I plan of spending a fair bit of time here!
I work for a procurement firm, as an analyst, so ideally I'd be looking to get detailed costings. I don't just want to use the media and news reports for information - I want to know what affects food costs from the source. My reports (which will be monthly) are being used to help advise clients/buyers across the UK how the markets look - but more importantly why. It's all about allowing buyers to make informed decisions. From a psychological background, however, I'm keen to be as accurate as possible and learn as much about the industry as I can too.

Thanks,

Fibob

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 03:20:33 pm »
Thanks for that but I am still a bit bemused... your firm is procuring what, exactly?
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

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FiBob

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2012, 03:52:59 pm »
We're a procurement/purchasing firm in the catering/hospitality industry.

Polished Arrow

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 11:53:33 pm »
To be honest, you are asking a very wide question here, and we could all write long essays that may or may not help you with what you are trying to achieve.  I think you would get better results either if you ask simpler, more direct questions and then left space for us to answer as to why we respond as we do, or if you said what a specific report was about that month, and then asked us for our opinion on the subject...  There's no shortage of opinions in this place  :D


Are you wanting to be in a position to advise customers on how to buy the cheapest meat for their business?  I say meat as you are fairly specific about one question - what affects slaughter costs.  That in itself is quite confusing.  To me, slaughter costs are the costs the slaughter house charges me (eg £20 for a sheep).


If you are asking what I would charge someone for a dead pig from my farm, the answer would depend on what type and age pig they wanted, and what for.  If they wanted pork prepared for a freezer from a 6 month old pig, then they'd pay somewhere around £250 for it.  If they would like a fatter, older animal for charcuterie, then it may be £300.  If the hotel down the road wants me to supply two pigs a week to them every week for a year, they'd probably get them (un butchered) for £160-£200 per pig depending on age. 


Matters affecting the price of my meat include:
a) by the cost of feed and whether the product I am raising is part of our ordinary business or as a 'special' (ie if someone wants their pig fed on acorns and forage rather than concentrates and cider pressings, then they will need to pay for it)
b) by what I believe the customer will pay (hotel wants regular and local.  he wants a photo on his wall showing that he knows where his pigs come from, but doesn't have the margins that a wealthy housewife from London has.  His custom is bread and butter to my business and gives form to my year's pig plans.  I therefore charge him less per kg than the family who want to visit the piglet, have photos and updates on how it is growing and decide they would like me to feed it the whey from their home made cheese).
c)  which slaughterhouse we are using (the prices of these vary).
d) who is butchering the pig.  If we do it, it will be a cheaper price per kg than if it is done by a local master butcher.
e) the cost of basic foodstuffs for the animals themselves.


I'd say this is a 'rounded picture', or at least, my rounded picture.  Another person may have different ways of doing it, such as the person whose boar we borrow.  She has ALL finishers from their 8 sows made into sausages (plain) and sells them frozen from the farm gate for £5 a bag which weighs about 750g...  There is nothing that affects the price she charges for her meat!  Or hasn't been for some time.  And they produce a hell of a lot of sausages between the 8 sows and 2 boars  :)


Which firm do you work for?  In what sort of quantities are the clients likely to be buying meats, I wonder?  It'd be interesting to hear more about the reports as and when you write them - we might learn something from them too  :thumbsup:





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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2012, 08:31:44 am »
Fibob

Having spent 20 years teaching livestock farming to young people entering the farming industry I find it a bit frustrating that companies hire people who know nothing about the industry into such influentual positions. I am comforted (a bit) by your obvious keeness to get 'real' information.  I thoroughly recomend you spend a few days actually getting dirty on a few farms for the real background .... a forum is very clinical (although very useful) source of information.... and can lead to lots of misinformation though, through interpretation of the written word and lack of clear questions to answer.      Have you tried contacting your nearest agricultural college?

If you give further information on who you work for and what exactly your reports are used for (sorry but |I have always been suspicious of vague introductions) I'm sure several of us on here will be able to give you answers to specific questions.

Linda

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FiBob

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2012, 08:59:53 am »
Guys,

Thank you for your replies!!
I really do appreciate them. I was thinking it would be good to get down a farm and see it all first hand, but I'm on strict deadlines so I'm having to use the best resources I can. I totally understand your viewpoint too, Linda, I did not fully comprehend the details of the job I had gone for (I don't think even the company did at the time), and I do not fully understand why they would hire me - I have no purchasing or farm experience, I'm just good at writing reports. I guess, unlike others, they maybe thought I'd put in the work to find out the background information. I don't like to do half a job.
At the moment, my questions may be vague, because I don't fully comprehend the bigger picture yet. But opinions are good! Very good. Opinions open up the thought process. At the moment I'm doing a meat and poultry report, it follows a what, why, future kind of theme. And from you I'd love to know the why too. How do you feel about what is going on, about prices you get for meat and livestock, what direction you feel the market is heading in. You can see better than anyone what is having an effect on your farms and your animals etc.

deepinthewoods

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2012, 09:14:56 am »
there have been a few piggy costings done on the forum in the past, mihgt be worth a search. ill have a look later.

Ina

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2012, 09:23:47 am »

Having spent 20 years teaching livestock farming to young people entering the farming industry I find it a bit frustrating that companies hire people who know nothing about the industry into such influentual positions.

And I know the frustration from the other end - having gained two degrees in agriculture I can't get a job because research into farming issues etc is done by folks with social/economics degrees who know sweet effing nothing about what really goes on...

Good for you for trying to catch up on the "knowing"!

Fowgill Farm

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 10:11:41 am »
Like Ina i agree sick of statistic driven economic drivel written by people who know nothing about what they're writing.
The majority of people on this website are hobby farmers/smallholders producing meat for their own & family needs so i don't see what relavance they are to a company like the one you work for unless its a feed merchant/producer surely you should be asking these questions to the commercial boys on sites like the farmers weekly/guardian.
The biggest factor for the majority of us is the price of feed and this most often determines what stock we decide to keep or not. Most of us just want to know where our meat has come from, how its been treated and what its been fed.
mandy :pig:

FiBob

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 10:19:06 am »
Ok guys, point made. I'm only trying to educate myself so I don't mess up. I understand you guys are small in comparison to the 'big boys' but I still think your opinion counts.
Anyway, if I'm just going to get the fact that I'm not qualified for the job I'm doing thrown in my face then I'll leave your forums. I'm really sorry if I've been an inconvenience.

Fowgill Farm

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2012, 10:38:39 am »
If you had done any research at all you would know asking pig keepers what their problems are was like a red rag to a bull, pig keepers are losing on average £18-£21 per pig they send to slaughter and any flamin report you write ain't gonna help that!
mandy :pig:

FiBob

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2012, 10:45:20 am »
I know it won't help, but I can at least understand why it's happening. There isn't any need to have a go, you could do one of two things - suggest I go elsewhere and leave you guys alone, or simply not reply to me. I'm not here to ruffle feathers. Some people are being helpful, and I'm very grateful and appreciative. I'm sorry I've stepped on a few toes. :(

deepinthewoods

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Re: Biggest Issues Affecting Price...
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2012, 10:50:20 am »
not everybody is losing money.
there are some succesful buisness models out there. have a search.....

 

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