I apologise that I have obviously been too outspoken and will therefore leave this forum. Dan you say you encourage Freedon of speach but then you go and LOCK the subject matter, I hope with the blessing of the person that the thread originated from? In every walk of life there are those people that annoy others but no one has the courage to day to these people - shut up! Seems true in this case, let these simple minded folk walk all over you and your forum.