Author Topic: Hello again (Read 2967 times)

Chris63red · « **on:** October 12, 2012, 08:57:06 pm »

Hi,
I posted on here sometime ago I now have a small flock of quality Badger face sheep - enjoying every minute.
Looking forward to putting our recently acquired ram in with the ewes - all good & learning lots - now me thinks a working dog would be a good idea - i have a blue merle called Flick - where are you !!

Does not do a thing I ask - lessons I think lots of them.

Will post some photos when I can

Chris

Ystwyth Badgers

Big Benny Shep · « **Reply #1 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:09:10 pm »

good luck, a decent dog is an absolute god send!
i just wish mine was good all the time

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SallyintNorth · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:30:01 pm »

Quote from: Chris63red on October 12, 2012, 08:57:06 pm

Does not do a thing I ask - lessons I think lots of them.

Aye, lessons for you dear

Q. How do you have an obedient terrier?
A. Never ask your terrier to do anything he wasn't about to do anyway.

It's similar for collies. First of all you need to learn what they are doing, then you develop a language with your collie to describe the things he does naturally - and only then can you make suggestions. But they're suggestions, not commands - the collie is pretty much always going to read the sheep better than you can.

SteveHants · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2012, 10:45:17 pm »

Quote from: SallyintNorth on October 15, 2012, 10:30:01 pm

Quote from: Chris63red on October 12, 2012, 08:57:06 pm
Does not do a thing I ask - lessons I think lots of them.

Aye, lessons for you dear

Q. How do you have an obedient terrier?
A. Never ask your terrier to do anything he wasn't about to do anyway.

Now, those are dogs I do know a thing or two about and sadly the thing he was about to do anyway was attack that other dog who was looking at him funny or next-doors cat or vanish into a bury for the next three hours or...

On the other hand, point them at a rat warren and they dont need any training......

Padge · « **Reply #4 on:** October 16, 2012, 06:30:40 am »

Quote from: SallyintNorth on October 15, 2012, 10:30:01 pm

Quote from: Chris63red on October 12, 2012, 08:57:06 pm
Does not do a thing I ask - lessons I think lots of them.

Aye, lessons for you dear

It's similar for collies. First of all you need to learn what they are doing, then you develop a language with your collie to describe the things he does naturally - and only then can you make suggestions. But they're suggestions, not commands - the collie is pretty much always going to read the sheep better than you can.

This is sooo true....OH took Rowan for lessons to discover he needed them more than she did

so now OH is pretty well trained Rowan is much less confused and the sheep are handled much more easily

.......
The terriers on the other hand could only be described as hoodlums

Jac · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2012, 04:43:18 pm »

I love working collies!

They are so clever, mines smarter than most people I know.

She has the most wonderful blue eyes, will try to post a pic.
I bought her from a guy on a housing estate in Stoke who had decided he didn't want her at 12 weeks old!
I was lucky though she had originated from a farm in Welshpool and has natural ability, she's better at bringing in sheep than I could ever have hoped.
It's definitely me that needs the lessons, she knows exactly what shes doing but we have communications problems!
Can anyone recommend a teacher? We went for a lesson down in Warwickshire but does anyone know anyone closer to Cheshire for me? Jo

Jac · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2012, 04:57:20 pm »

Our Star

SallyintNorth · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2012, 12:51:18 am »

She's beautiful, Jac

My trainer is Derek Scrimgeour, he does sessions at Carlisle and Keswick - but that's going to be just about as far as Warks for you, I think.

Alan Bradley is further south but still in the Lakes... Others are in Yorks...

Couldn't see anything else listed much nearer to you in The ISDS Online Trainers' List - there may be more in the ISDS magazine if you can get hold of a copy.

MarvinH · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2012, 08:57:33 am »

Probably not much closer but have you tried Andy at workingsheepdog.co.uk
Jac who where did you go in Warwickshire?

tizaala · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2012, 09:14:13 am »

Omnipeasant trains working collies, she's just outside Rhyader. ( not allowed inside)

Jac · « **Reply #10 on:** October 21, 2012, 12:47:21 pm »

Thanks all,
Yes JS we went to Andy originally but it was all day by the time we'd travelled there and back too.
Does anyone know if Gus Dermody of 'one man and his dog' teaches? Apparently he lives near me and still trials his dogs. I might have to resort to being a groupy at the local trials to find someone! lol I'll see if I can get the magazine too it sounds interesting.
xx

SallyintNorth · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2012, 07:14:48 am »

Asking a local trialler for a pointer is probably the best way - they'll sum you up, know who does training locally, point you in the right direction.