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harry · « **on:** May 20, 2009, 06:51:31 pm »

How do you pinion wings is it a diy job... harry

Kier · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2009, 10:47:50 pm »

From what i;m aware this is certainly not a d.i.y job and is considered really cruel.Its basically like cutting a hand off.One of my call ducks had been pinioned before i bought her and even though she lives a normal life i still wish the previous owner hadnt had it done.From what i;ve read online if it isnt done when they;re young enough they can bleed heavily(sometimes fatally).It would be alot better for the bird to just clip their wings per moult

shetlandpaul · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2009, 11:08:56 pm »

if it involves mutilation then odd on its banned. read defra's exciting range of animal welfare books.

doganjo · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2009, 12:19:21 am »

I cannot imagine why any nice person would even think of doing such a thing to a poor defenceless bird.

harry · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2009, 08:06:44 pm »

ime buying some flying turkey eggs and am told by the seller to pinion the wings of any breeding stock that i will keep at day old. As i dont know much about it i cant give an informed opinion about if its cruel or not and was looking for someone with experience for guidance. Is it cruel to castorate various animals, likewise punching holes in animals ears for tags, in my inexperienced opinion maybe pinioning a wing at day old would be no worse, l dont know thats why ive asked, hopefully a person with experience could advise me. harry

shetlandpaul · « **Reply #5 on:** May 21, 2009, 08:39:39 pm »

Wild turkeys are they not usually penned. Whats wrong with clipping there flight feathers.
here is a good web site
http://www.fishpondinfo.com/birds/turkcare.htm#care
hope this helps. please read the defra guides. they are useful
this is taken from it remember its the law.
53. Dewinging, pinioning, notching or tendon severing, which involve mutilation of wing tissue, must not be undertaken. When it is necessary to reduce the effects of flightiness, the flight feathers of one wing may be clipped.

harry · « **Reply #6 on:** May 22, 2009, 08:58:05 pm »

THANKS SHETLANDPAUL thats the kind of informed info i was looking for, i will now just cut the flight feathers. Yes the turkeys for the shoot will be left to fly but i will be keeping some breeding stock for next year so they need to be flightless as they will be kept as free range.... HARRY

shetlandpaul · « **Reply #7 on:** May 22, 2009, 09:40:13 pm »

were are you harry. If in the UK are you sure your allowed to release wild turkeys. the poor wood pigeons will get a complex. I would get some advice before doing it. You could end up with rather large fines if caught. Defra is all hot and bothered about non native releases. Imagine if a few of the turkeys survive and start a population may not appear to do any harm but they may out compete the native wildlife.

doganjo · « **Reply #8 on:** May 22, 2009, 11:46:42 pm »

Looks like he's in Norwich so will have to abide by UK laws.

harry · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2009, 09:06:12 pm »

Would you know what they are doganjo that would be helpfull. All i can tell you is that they have been released in shoots for a few years now in the uk and are readily available on ebay discribed as for releasing with pheasants...have a look, type in ebay Item number: 270394381977 , turkey hatching eggs, you will see usa wild turkeys, sellers are also DEFRA registerd

harry

doganjo · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2009, 10:50:12 pm »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/nov/24/usa.julianborger

shetlandpaul · « **Reply #11 on:** May 24, 2009, 12:13:32 pm »

It is illegal to allow any animal which is not ordinarily resident in Great Britain, or is listed on Schedule 9 to the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, to escape into the wild, or to release it into the wild without a licence. It is also illegal to plant or otherwise cause to grow in the wild any plant listed on Schedule 9 of the Act. Offences carry penalties of up to £5,000 fine and/or 2 years imprisonment. See domestic legislation for more detail.

http://www.jncc.gov.uk/PDF/waca1981_part1.pdf
rather long.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/pdf/wildlife-manage/non-native/review-report.pdf

It would become fun having a 20+ lb stag turkey jumping at you when you went for a walk. Would they not out compete pheasants etc

doganjo · « **Reply #12 on:** May 24, 2009, 12:45:06 pm »

Not so long ago an idiot landowner in the Highlands of Scotland wanted to 're-wild' his estate with bears and wolves. Similar thing perhaps to allowing turkeys to roam wild?

shetlandpaul · « **Reply #13 on:** May 24, 2009, 03:13:52 pm »

wolves would help keep the red deer numbers down and walkers too.

doganjo · « **Reply #14 on:** May 24, 2009, 03:20:30 pm »

I think it is our right to walk our own hills is it not? Nemo me impune lacessit!

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