[chickenfeed]

chickenfeed is correct   and duroc and berkshire as well     will amend the post 

i am a woman robert i am always right 

[robert waddell]

maybe that is why i like you    we are both correct

[Button End Beasts]

Hmmmm, I'm getting very confused now. My pedigree registered OSB only has an ear tattoo, so are you saying she should be notched as well or will it be her piglets, if we breed from her? My BPA notes say that registered pigs must be identified with ear tattoo, ear notches OR double tags. It also says that it is recommended to have 2 forms of ID recorded on their database. It does not say that it is compulsory. I have only joined BPA as a pig keeper and not a pig breeder so maybe I'm missing some info?


Actually haven't really found the BPA all that informative, perhaps all will become crystal clear eventually. Arrrrggggg!  

[rispainfarm]

maybe that is why i like you    we are both correct

we could start a rumour here robert 

[oaklandspigs]

Hmmmm, I'm getting very confused now. My pedigree registered OSB only has an ear tattoo, so are you saying she should be notched as well or will it be her piglets, if we breed from her? My BPA notes say that registered pigs must be identified with ear tattoo, ear notches OR double tags. It also says that it is recommended to have 2 forms of ID recorded on their database. It does not say that it is compulsory. I have only joined BPA as a pig keeper and not a pig breeder so maybe I'm missing some info?


Actually haven't really found the BPA all that informative, perhaps all will become crystal clear eventually. Arrrrggggg!

The BPA is not very clear on much nowadays!
 
Ear notching is the approved mechanism - see the club's site on this
 
http://www.oxfordsandypigs.co.uk/breed-identification/
 
Tattooing is not used on OSB's, but is on say Gloucester Old Spots.
 
Now we need to be clear between tatooing for legal reasons and tattooing for breed reasons.  It may be the tatoo on your pig is the breeders herd mark which would give it legal identity.  Is it notched as well - and what does the BPA paperwork you should have got with it say?
 
 

[chickenfeed]

maybe that is why i like you    we are both correct

we could start a rumour here robert 

no need to start rumors we like each other in public 

[Button End Beasts]

Hi, sorry to butt in on the love in chickenfeed and Robert!


Oaklands, the BPA paperwork says Ear No: NWF/18 - tag, 2nd ID: blank space. No ear notches on my gilt. Is this OK?

[robert waddell]

i would say the original breeder has done it wrong  from what you describe

[Barnsnap]

From the 1st January 2011 the rules changed and notching became the BPA requirement for OSB pedigree pigs.  Any pig born prior to this date may have been tattooed or notched by the breeder.  An ear tag is also required to match up with the ear notching and will show the Breeders HDL, the individual ID number of the Pig and on the underside, the Breeders Herd Number.
You do not need to tattoo and ear notch.  The BPA does have provision for double tagged pigs but this is by agreement with them.  Double tagged pigs cannot be shown at BPA Shows in OSB Breed classes.  Hope that helps.

[oaklandspigs]

Barnsnap,
 
Great to have an experienced OSB breeder and show-er join TAS !
 
Should have remembered that OSB's changed a couple of years ago.
 
 

[Fowgill Farm]

I have asked for double tagged pigs to be considered by the BPA show committee as i think that it is discrimination against breeders who tag not to be able to show their pigs, they pay their subscriptions as much as any other breeder and therefore should be entitiled to take part in BPA events.
If necessary i will take this to the equal opportunities commision as i as a breeder that tags am not getting an equal opportunity to show my pigs in BPA events for which i pay for thro my subs.
Mandy 

[chickenfeed]

I have asked for double tagged pigs to be considered by the BPA show committee as i think that it is discrimination against breeders who tag not to be able to show their pigs, they pay their subscriptions as much as any other breeder and therefore should be entitiled to take part in BPA events.
If necessary i will take this to the equal opportunities commision as i as a breeder that tags am not getting an equal opportunity to show my pigs in BPA events for which i pay for thro my subs.
Mandy 

imo tattooing is more permanent tags can get removed & replaced a tattoo is there forever (unless you cut the ears off) so for show pigs less chance to cheat i would rather tattoo than tag anyday.

[robert waddell]

the double tagging issue came up for discussion at the BPA AGM last year     it is supposed to be getting considered by the relevant committee    but this  is election year so in all probability nothing will be progressed until the elections are finished
 
from being present last year at the AGM    there appears to be an old guard that     it has worked this way for years why change      the vibes that i got was that double tagging could be abused by breeders and show people  to there advantage     it may surprise many just what goes on in pig showing to get that coveted Rosette

[Fowgill Farm]

imo tattooing is more permanent tags can get removed & replaced a tattoo is there forever (unless you cut the ears off) so for show pigs less chance to cheat i would rather tattoo than tag anyday.

Tattos permanent, don't think so........ i have several bought in GOS all of whom are allegedly tattooed, i cannot read any of the tattoos and have had them tagged even though as a small herd i know them all individually, as least if the powers that be come they are identifiable now by their tags. And nothing would surprise me about what goes on in the pig showing world its the same as in anything that involves winning & prizes!
Mandy 

[Beewyched]

the double tagging issue came up for discussion at the BPA AGM last year     it is supposed to be getting considered by the relevant committee    but this  is election year so in all probability nothing will be progressed until the elections are finished
 
from being present last year at the AGM    there appears to be an old guard that     it has worked this way for years why change      the vibes that i got was that double tagging could be abused by breeders and show people  to there advantage     it may surprise many just what goes on in pig showing to get that coveted Rosette

Robert - probably the same as what goes on with certain "cliques" in the dog world 
Just noticed you've posted too Chickenfeed -