Author Topic: freedom of speech.  (Read 46527 times)

Greenerlife

  • Joined Mar 2009
  • Leafy Surrey
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2012, 06:31:15 pm »
Those companies were shamed into doing that DITW - shame is that the government have no shame.

deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2012, 06:34:19 pm »


No wonder you want to stay in the UK your in Cornwall...lovely. I lived at Budock Vein (Mawnan Smith).

i cant leave the uk,  because i havent the money to move.
 
absolutely jaykay, its embarressing, how does every other country maintain security?
 
greenerlife, exactly. i hope this government is ashamed  of this bill too.

robert waddell

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2012, 06:41:59 pm »
the organisers of the fuel protests were hounded by  the police and vosa after there involvment
 
hmrc  did a survey on red diesel years ago  if you were george raft you had to fill out a form to lobby them   all your details company how much fuel you used etc etc etc all your details on a plate for them to screw you
 
mobile cranes are allowed to run on red   they were supposed to run on white but the crane owners banded together and told the goverment straight they would all fill up with white at the same time and bring the garages to a halt even threatiningg that the cranes would rip the canopys down closing them down   and they still run on red clogging up the motorways every morning :rant:

HappyHippy

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2012, 06:47:35 pm »
If nothing else, the fact that the only other countries with this law are China and Iran convinces me - what company to keep!
Amen to that ! Seems we are being dictated to in the UK more and more  ::)

I'm not a diehard supporter of conspiricy theories (but there are some which IMHO are soooo true  :innocent:) and I don't like to think too much about stuff like this because it depresses and scares the life out of me - what have my kids got to look forward to  :-\
BUT I still like to read about it and know about it, because even if there's not much we can do knowledge is power  ;) There's always going to come a time when all us 'little people' will be able to "stick it to the man" in one way or another  :thumbsup:

in the hills

  • Joined Feb 2012
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2012, 06:49:57 pm »
Could potentially be used for the good and as I, of course, do no wrong   ;D  , think how could it harm anyone that has nothing to hide.


However, can see the possibilities for it being a dangerous thing for the masses in the future ... how likely,   I suppose only time will tell. Feel it a bit worrying to say the least if you look at the other countries using this  :o   :o   :o

deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2012, 06:56:01 pm »
i am not a conspiracy theorist. but i do like to be aware of how the laws of my country are being used.
this bill isnt hidden, its right in your faces, theres nothing conspiritorial here, just a chance to try and influence how the democracy of this country develops, im heartened by the supportive comments, thanks.

yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2012, 07:16:57 pm »
I feel your pain DITW.   We in the USA are also walking around in the "Brave New World".
 
 Stop explaining that you aren't a conspiracy nut.  It won't make a difference.  The blissfully ignorant are happy in their quiet places.
 
People refuse to see the abuse of power that can occur once these laws are on the books.  The truly evil or crimminal will skirt the laws, we honest folk will be caught in the dragnet.
 

deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2012, 07:36:23 pm »
I feel your pain DITW.   We in the USA are also walking around in the "Brave New World".
 
 Stop explaining that you aren't a conspiracy nut.  It won't make a difference.  The blissfully ignorant are happy in their quiet places.
 
People refuse to see the abuse of power that can occur once these laws are on the books.  The truly evil or crimminal will skirt the laws, we honest folk will be caught in the dragnet.
yes, and this is the issue, as a uk citizen i am innocent until proved guilty, not assumed guilty and monitored. 
unfortunatly blissful ignorance eludes me, as i worry about the world i am leaving for my daughter.

plumseverywhere

  • Joined Apr 2013
  • Worcestershire
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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2012, 08:21:22 pm »
I totally agree with supporting a cause you believe in, whether its signing petitions or campaigning. There's always those who say "Someone should do something about that...." and those people happily wait for someone else to do that something...
Good on you DITW for giving people the channel to sign this if they so choose. We might not have heard about it otherwise.
And...thank you for the quote that made me spit coffee on my keyboard  ::)  [size=78%] '[/size][size=78%]before you hum yourself into lala land.' [/size][/color]
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Smallholding in Worcestershire, making goats milk soap for www.itsbaaathtime.com and mum to 4 girls,  goats, sheep, chickens, dog, cat and garden snails...

RUSTYME

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« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2012, 08:22:33 pm »
In 2005 ish , the ex head of the kgb said that the uk government  had more control and information on the people of the uk , than he ever had in the ussr .
He warned the people of the usa and the uk to be very careful of what we allow tptb to get away with and what laws they make .
The phrase 'conspiracy theory' is one tagged on to any subject that tptb want to hide the true facts of .
The very fact that there are a few people who are prepared to question what tptb do , and to search out as much information as they can ,
and to forward that info for others to see , means that there is at least the glimmer of a hope , of keeping the freedoms the people of the uk have had for the last 50 or so years .
Apart from the corrupt , multi millionair , ruling elite , the corporate and banking cobal that they serve , the most dangerous people are the ones that , for some reason , continue to accept everything that tptb do and say , without question .
The more vocal of which are the mock ridicule and attack brigade .
The government know that they can control the people without them even being aware they are so being !
The work of Edward Bernays (sp) is absolute proof of this . As is the fact that the government actually set up a special dept to do this .
Like ditw and a few others , i question laws that are imposed on us without any mandate or legitimate reason . We are still , albeit just , a free democracy . But if we allow tptb free reigne that freedom will be gone in the blink of an eye .
All i ever want is for people to question ! Not to blindly accept all that tptb do .
What is it that the mock ridicule attack brigade fear , for fear it is , the truth ?
 How can asking  questions do harm ?
 

deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2012, 08:37:44 pm »
 :thumbsup:  well said russ.

tizaala

  • Joined Mar 2011
  • Dolau, Llandrindod Wells,Powys
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2012, 08:44:13 pm »
I'm off to Aldi to stock up on tin foil to make Faraday cages for my brain cells.  But THEY will read this------and take it off sale ....oh bugger theve got me again.... :innocent:

deepinthewoods

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2012, 08:45:32 pm »
that ok tiz, they already know you havent got any brain cells.. :o ;) ;D

rispainfarm

  • Joined Jul 2012
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    • The Porky Quines
Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2012, 09:31:37 pm »
I worry about Facebook, although absolutely everything is private on my page even my friends list but can journalists and government bodies have easy access to the pages even if they are private ??? I have put all sorts on there.
Author of Choosing and Keeping Pigs and Pigs for the Freezer, A Smallholders Guide

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robert waddell

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Re: freedom of speech.
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2012, 09:37:05 pm »
well Linda you are a journalist so you should know what goes into getting a good story    the news of the world seamed to be able to hack into anything  and what they could not evesdrop on they invented :farmer:

 

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