Author Topic: Boer Does/Doelings  (Read 6798 times)

ScotsGirl

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • Wiltshire
Boer Does/Doelings
« on: August 08, 2012, 09:35:45 pm »
I have been searching ernestly for some girlies having decided on Boers.  Some breeders don't seem bothered about CAE testing and one has said it will cause too much bother as they have sheep.
 
Can anyone explain this? Why would being certified free of CAE be an issue if you have commercial sheep or is it only if tested and they get positive results?
 
If anyone out there has a few females, registered, within a short drive of Wiltshire I would be interested to hear.
 

jinglejoys

  • Joined Jul 2009
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2012, 09:47:47 pm »
Possably because 300 sheep cost a lot more to certify than a couple of goats especially at £20 a time which is what I was charged 20yrs ago..I expect its gone up a bit now.Have yet to hear of anyone with it

ScotsGirl

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • Wiltshire
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 09:58:29 pm »
Ok, just to clarify then, this is a disease that is transferrable between goats and sheep?  And pointless testing goats if not prepared to test sheep?  My vet never mentioned this when I was picking her brains about it.
 
Should I then not worry too much?  I also have a small flock of sheep and no intention of testing them.  Appreciate any feedback

Penninehillbilly

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • West Yorks
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2012, 12:48:32 am »
On a cae blood test form I received to fill in, it also mentioned Maeda Visna (sp) in sheep, I have wondered if these are related?

wytsend

  • Joined Oct 2010
  • Okehampton
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 06:49:55 am »
Yes they are.. but not exactly!!!!
Boers or any goats should be tested....if you have ever seen the results of a goat with CAE, then you would be in no doubt as to whether to test or not.    The pain is excruciating when the goat/s develops the arthritis version....unfortunately  it is maternally transmitted.     
As a goat can have a lot of kids by the time she is 5-7 years old,  the probablity is they will also be infected.   If kids survive their 1st 12 months,.......encepholopy (spelling) is the first stage....then arthritis is the next stage later in life.
Testing started in 1983 in a desperate attempt to eradicate this dreadful disease..... succesful to a pont but something like 10% of the national herd is still infected..........mainly due to largeherds not testing and selling kids that are infected.   Whilst the original Boers were clear when imported,  they have been in contact with others that are not clear.
No responsible breeder will buy from a herd that is not regularly tested..... so you would limit your kid sales.
Speak to SAC   who run the Premium Sheep & Goat Scheme, who will be able to advise you correctly about the dangers of running sheep & goats on the same holding.
By the way,  testing is not as expensive as indicated earlier........typically  Laboratory fees per goat are £7per test, more ten animals it comes down to around £6.  Your Vet will have a cost of course, but people with a few often put them into a trailer and take to the surgery.
Be careful........ once you've got infected animals it is too late.

ballingall

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  • Joined Sep 2008
  • Avonbridge, Falkirk
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 08:45:33 am »
There is no requirement to test your sheep- unless you want to go onto the SAC scheme. On this, you have to test all goats and all sheep on your holding. The British Goat Society provide a monitored scheme for just goats, and they also provide a form, so that if you just want to test your herd of goats, you can do exactly that.


We have been testing our herd since the early to mid eighties, we did have a small flock of sheep (4-5 breeding ewes and hangers on) and they were never tested for Maeda Visna. They did all share two fields, and never had any issues.


Beth

ScotsGirl

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • Wiltshire
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2012, 09:30:16 am »
Thanks everyone, that was all very helpful information.  Still not having any luck finding anything though! All tested stock are 3-5 hours away  >:(  Not sure I can cope with that on my own. Oh well, the hunt continues...

omnipeasant

  • Joined May 2012
  • Llangurig , Mid Wales
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2012, 11:42:41 am »
I suppose you could ask them to test before travelling even if you are not going to get yourself accreditted it would be good to start with clean stock.

ScotsGirl

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • Wiltshire
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 03:24:36 pm »
I have found someone with stock who will have tested.  Should I pay for this or expect the vendor to?  Quoted £30 per goat which seems quite high if getting 4 or 5 tested. I haven't found out cost of goats yet and this seems to vary considerably from £100-£500 depending on %.  Does price vary around the country?  I am looking at 75% and 100% does.

trying

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • Lincs Notts border
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2012, 05:36:19 pm »
Hi, we breed Boer goats and the quality, regardless of percentage, can vary greatly. Female Boers are in short supply this year so to be fair the price has gone up. I personally would pay up to £400 for the right goat but she would have to be really good, saying that I have 4 girls 3 are 100% and 1 is 75% and money could not buy them ;D
Ann

ScotsGirl

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • Wiltshire
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2012, 05:44:10 pm »
Hmmm problem is I am new to goats and am therefore no expert as to good or really good. I have a fairly good eye for quality livestock across the board but am a sucker for a cute face!

trying

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • Lincs Notts border
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2012, 05:51:27 pm »
Hmmm problem is I am new to goats and am therefore no expert as to good or really good. I have a fairly good eye for quality livestock across the board but am a sucker for a cute face!
Hi, please don't buy until you know exactly what you are looking at, try to vist people who have goats, Boers in particular, if you were nearer I would be pleased to show you our goats and point out what you need to look for, visit the Boer goat society web site its full of information and contacts.
Good luck
Ann

Lesley Silvester

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Telford
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2012, 09:08:49 pm »
Hmmm problem is I am new to goats and am therefore no expert as to good or really good. I have a fairly good eye for quality livestock across the board but am a sucker for a cute face!

Isn't a cute face the main reason for buying an animal?   :-J

cuckoo

  • Joined Jan 2011
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2012, 10:50:08 pm »
Hi :wave:
 
We also breed Boer goats and I agree with all that Trying says.  We have learned alot over the last few years about buying stock and I definately would go and see a few breeders - they shoudnt mind you wanting to view.  Recently there has been a surge in popularity of Boers so a reduction in availability of does.
 
If you can bear the wait it might be a good idea to go to join the BBGS and attend the AGM event on 20/21st October which is near Bath - there will be talks about Boer goats.  See BBGS website for info http://www.britishboergoatsociety.co.uk/bbgs%20news.html .
 
If you ever find yourself in East Yorks you are welcome to visit - we have 20 goats - 10 100% and other grades from 50%-75%
 
Good luck

ScotsGirl

  • Joined Dec 2009
  • Wiltshire
Re: Boer Does/Doelings
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2012, 11:01:44 pm »
Thanks all, also for reminding me to send off form to join society. Just received my herd number confirmation yesterday which I was waiting for.  I have been to see a nice couple near me so have a rough idea. Bought a couple of books which were helpful.  I wish I was nearer some of you, it seems they are popular everywhere apart from Wiltshire.
 
in the short term I am going to get a few wethers from Adam Henson on Friday, ultimately for the freezer but I thought would be a good introduction.
 
My next job is to try and build them a climbing frame.  The lambs will love it in the spring also when I bring the girls home to lamb.

 

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