Author Topic: Emotions :\  (Read 6496 times)

Bumblebear

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Emotions :\
« on: August 03, 2012, 10:45:14 pm »
Our small holding plans are finally coming to fruition.  In addition to our ducks and chooks we now have our 2 goats; 2 pigs and 2 lambs.  It's the pigs that are causing me problems.  They looked so cute when we woke them up to get them off the trailer, and one seemed quite scared that I felt quite a wave of emotion that I wasn't expecting.

I'm really wondering how I will cope with the whole "other journey" due in a few short months.  :(

Mammyshaz

  • Joined Feb 2012
  • Durham
Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2012, 10:56:11 pm »
Oh dear, that's the big thing I'm trying to get my head around before taking on a smallholding. Having to think  I would cope.  The thoughts of toughening are there but in reality I really don't know how I'd do.

Just keep thinking ofthe wonderful life your sausages and chops are having compared to the lives of the meat you previously ate  :fc:

There are plenty of people on tas who have been in this position many times and have mountains of experience to give good advice and to ease your worries. Remember we are all here to support you when the time comes.

Good luck and enjoy them in the meantime  :thumbsup:  :pig:

P6te

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • South Derbyshire
Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2012, 11:20:59 pm »
Hi Bumblebear,

It seems appropriate to share our first experience that is still vivid in our minds.  We started off with 3 pigs who were the cutest we could imagine.  When their time came I can't say it was easy, it wasn't, we really struggled.  Despite wanring not to, we had named them all and we knew them all individually.  When we left them in the pen at the slaughter house on the Sunday afternoon for the deed to be done early Monday morning, it is no exaggeration to say that neither of us slept that night.

However, what we came to realise was that if you eat meat, would you rather eat meat that you knew had been well treated throughout life or eat a joint off the supermarket shelf whose live has almost certainly been a mere miserable existence. Your pigs will experience all the things that come naturally to a pig, they will wake up every morning to walk out in fresh air and root around til their hearts content.  They aren't penned up in a concrete and steel jungle never to see the light of day.

If you want to see what the majority of pig endure see http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm_animals/pigs/default.aspx and you will feel a lot better about what you re doing.

Hope this help

Pete  :thumbsup:
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Tamsaddle

  • Joined May 2011
  • Hampshire, near Portsmouth
Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2012, 08:31:19 am »
I have just tried to quote my own post from the Slap Mark thread into this one, but can't work out how to move it.   Anyway, it is about taking your pigs to slaughter the first time, and might help a bit for anyone worried that it is going to be horrible at the very final moment - it isn't.   Tamsaddle 

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
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Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2012, 10:27:56 am »
I have just tried to quote my own post from the Slap Mark thread into this one, but can't work out how to move it.   Anyway, it is about taking your pigs to slaughter the first time, and might help a bit for anyone worried that it is going to be horrible at the very final moment - it isn't.   Tamsaddle

This the one, Tamsaddle?

http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=26181.msg256369#msg256369

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Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2012, 11:25:06 am »
<<However, what we came to realise was that if you eat meat, would you rather eat meat that you knew had been well treated throughout life or eat a joint off the supermarket shelf whose live has almost certainly been a mere miserable existence. Your pigs will experience all the things that come naturally to a pig, they will wake up every morning to walk out in fresh air and root around til their hearts content.  They aren't penned up in a concrete and steel jungle never to see the light of day.>>
 
Well put P6te.   This is the whole point of raising your own animals for meat, surely.   Otherwise you might as well save yourself the bother and eat poor animals which have had no life to speak of.  I certainly don't like to eat miserable meat.
However, if you think you can't bring yourself to send the pigs for slaughter, then meat-eating is not a necessity; many people exist without eating meat at all.  Maybe now is the time to have a good think about whether or not you want to continue raising meat for food.  There is no point in just doing it because that is what smallholders do - to kill an animal you must be sure that is the direction you wish to follow.
 
On the subject of naming animals intended for slaughter, this has been discussed here many times and there are conflicting views.  Our view is that we name our animals destined for meat in just the same way we name all our other animals.  This for us is part of our respect for all creatures.  Once they come back as our food we appreciate their contribution to our lives, just as we contributed to theirs, as individuals, not just a slab of nameless meat.   Knowing an animal gave its life for you to eat does mean you don't waste any, and you really appreciate each meal from them.  From a practical point of view, knowing just which animal you are eating allows for a degree of quality control, as you can put together aspects of that individuals growth and any problems with the taste on the plate.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2012, 02:03:19 pm by Fleecewife »
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Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2012, 12:16:02 pm »
EVERY NOW AND AGAIN THIS SAME OLD PROBLEM REARS UP LIKE A MAJETIC STALLION      AND PIGS IN PARTICULAR COME IN FOR SOME SLATING FROM POSTERS ON HERE     IN NEARLY SIXTY YEARS ALL ANIMAL THAT I HAVE KNOWN HAVE HAD A NAME FIST TO IDENTIFY THAT PARTICULAR ANIMAL BY SIGHT RATHER LOOK ITS EAR FOR A NUMBER    THEN THE POSTERS USUALL REMARKS OURS TASTES BETTER THAN LARGE SCALE PRODUCED PORK   WHY IS IT ONLY PORK THAT GETS IT IN THE NECK  LAMB AND BEEF ARE NEVER SLATED IN THE SAME WAY AS PORK IS     I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT THERE ARE SOME BAD EXAMPLES OF PIG KEEPIMG OUT THERE AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLITED CONSTANTLY  Britain is the always the first to introduce welfare and modifications to the system  Europe on the other hand  has always dragged there feet on these issues  BUT anybody in the know will realise that things are about to change in the pig world
percentage wise there will be more welfare issues with smallholders /lifestyle converts than there is with what is concider ed real farmers   it just is not press worthy and is always attributed to inexperience or some such other lame dog excuse
 
it is unlikely that the majority of posters on here will ever see a well run commercial pig unit other than selected pics or video    farming in general is now all about profit  at one time it was about a lifestyle  when the general population were hungry farmers and there workers usually eat very well although a horse was sometimes better cared for than these workers (plenty more willing to work where as a horse cost money)
by all means have hens  poultry sheep pigs and even cattle if you have enough land to support them and enough money to feed them  enjoy there presence when you have and really enjoy them when on your plate
 
 
 
sorry about the caps at the beginning i was not going to re do it  :farmer:

Bumblebear

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • Norfolk
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Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2012, 12:40:42 pm »
Thanks all.  We have been meat free for quite a while as we mainly ate what we produced (LOTS of eggs!  ;D ).  As with the chooks, even the ones I have hand reared, I have a little flutter before the deed, but once it's dead I can pluck and prepare it no bother.  I just wasn't prepared for that particular surge of emotion when we got them out the trailer.

You may be right in principle about the commercial pig farmers Robert, HOWEVER, after driving by fields full of them a-foraging and out in the fresh air, we then got presented in the media with the cruelty of what was going on behind closed doors and at the big commerically driven abbatoirs (the poor farmer killed himself too just to add to the misery).  So I would rather bite the bullet and produce my own food where I can.  But that doesn't stop me from being a sentimental softie...   

robert waddell

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Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2012, 12:49:02 pm »
in reality we are all softies :farmer:

feldar

  • Joined Apr 2011
  • lymington hampshire
Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2012, 12:56:40 pm »
I see it from both sides of the story. We have produced our own pork in the past on our small farm and now our son works on a large commercial pig farm.
We gave up our pigs when last winter it became such a struggle to keep them clean and well housed we were in such a mud puddle, it became clear to us we were not prepared to let our pigs stand in such conditions any longer plus our boy had applied for this pig job and there would be problems with him having pigs at home and working with them.
These commercial farms have a high health status and cross infection would have been a possibility.
He loves his job and says welfare is not too bad,   yes there are the odd times he is a bit shocked it is a steep learning curve, finding a whole litter of pigs dead or a sick pigglet that may have been saved if got to quicker is common on a big unit, he found one still alive the other day that had a broken back and he had to despatch it quickly. He now does things he would never of dreamed he could do before, like quick culling of pigglets.
But after all this the sows are in good condition, live outside are moved reguarly are always treated if sick but are culled if they are not productive.
This sounds just like my sheep system.
On the slaughter note, i used to get so attached to my orphan lambs but so many have gone through my hands now i'm less attached now, so long as they are treated right and have a good start in life i'm happy for them to go to the slaughterhouse

Fowgill Farm

  • Joined Feb 2009
Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2012, 12:58:56 pm »
in reality we are all softies :farmer:

Never :o  !!!!
 Agree with what Robert said there are good commercial guys out there who look after their pigs really well and they are having it really tough at the moment averaging an £18 a pig loss. Rearing your own pigs is great and you know the kind of lives your pigs had and it was the best you could give them. If you can't rear your own at least make sure you buy BRITISH, read the packaging carefully when you do.
mandy  :pig:

Bumblebear

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • Norfolk
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Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2012, 01:16:19 pm »
If you can't rear your own at least make sure you buy BRITISH, read the packaging carefully when you do.
mandy  :pig:

Hear hear - although we go one step further and buy British fruit and veg (when we need it) too.  Before we grew our own we had a little heirachy for choosing what to buy:  local first; then british/organic; then british.

After a while noone would come shopping with me, other than hubby, because they said I took too long!  :innocent:

sokel

  • Joined Jun 2012
  • S W northumberland
Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2012, 03:05:35 pm »
I put off for years getting pigs because I wasnt sure I could see it to the end.
When the time came for the first 2 tamworths we had to go I actualy felt sick thinking off it but the day came and we got them unloaded without any problems once they where in the pen I walked away not looking back !
when we collected the meet and tried our first chops everyone was winding me up asking who it was   ::)
but I enjoyed it and have no regrets or doubts about doing it again and again
Graham

Tamsaddle

  • Joined May 2011
  • Hampshire, near Portsmouth
Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2012, 04:22:35 pm »
Thank you SinN, but no idea how you did that either !!  Would very much appreciate a lesson in Forum Tips on how you can quote from one topic into another completely different topic - the post you have done so far only has instructions, I think, on how to do quotes within a particular topic, which I have managed to do as you said.   Tamsaddle   

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
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Re: Emotions :\
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2012, 05:21:04 pm »
Thank you SinN, but no idea how you did that either !!  Would very much appreciate a lesson in Forum Tips on how you can quote from one topic into another completely different topic - the post you have done so far only has instructions, I think, on how to do quotes within a particular topic, which I have managed to do as you said.   Tamsaddle
I've done my best, but it is a little bit convoluted.  See if it helps, anyway:
http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/index.php?topic=26247.0
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

 

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