Author Topic: scottish independence.  (Read 31551 times)

waterhouse

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2012, 07:48:14 pm »
I think it unlikely that Scotland really will vote for full independence once the costs are thought through.  Far more likely is a demand for more delegation of powers.  That's the real argument.

The West Lothian question is highly relevant.  If Scotland decides to split then England has to have a say in how it does it because the deed cannot happen in a vacuum. 

A completely independent Scotland would have its own fiscal policy which may differ from England's.  That means that sharing a currency would be a bad idea for one or the other.  The process of creating a new currency for a country is pretty fraught.  It's mechanically pretty easy but would leave the country in the hands of the markets and the speculators, so fiscal freedom may be severely constrained.

There are 27 members of the EU plus Norway and Switzerland.  Those two have had to negotiate separate trade agreements with the EU and found themselves on the wrong end of EU-wide legislation that affects them drastically but over which they have little say.  Thus there is a case for Scotland to join the EU - except that new members are also required to join the Euro.  The lack of a common fiscal policy is the reason for the mess that the Euro is now in, and is eventually going to be fixed.  Probably.  But for Scotland this means bowing to the EU's policies and this could be a great deal less appealing that sticking with Sterling and its constraints.

Presumably Scotland would take control of the Royal Bank of Scotland, still headquartered in St Andrew Square.  Good luck with that, and the establishment of a central bank with full regulatory responsibility for one of the worlds largest and most diversified banks.  Scottish banks have rather a poor record recently.

What with setting-up equivalents of the MoD and all the other ministries, a DVLA, an HMRC and building an embassy in half the world's capitals that's a pile of jobs for Scottish grandees, all of which has to be paid-for by somebody.  The multi-award winning parliament building didn't set a good precedent.  But I suppose Gogarburn might be available: its former use as a mental hospital notwithstanding.

Just be careful what you wish for.  The English have done the Scots many wrongs over the centuries, but that is the past.  The future isn't what it used to be.


robert waddell

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2012, 08:07:42 pm »
what i wish for is the gobshite that is written about this yet to be decided by the population of Scotland to stop
had waterhouse researched or did know a small percentage of what he/she wrote they would know that the headquarters of the rbs is based at gogarburn yes it was a former mental hospital which makes it all the more laughable given the current world economic f*** up that these money  wankers created trying to outperform each other
and on the building of the new headquarters of rbs  it was built with coloured foreign nationals paid the minimum wage and housed in accommodation on site that they had to pay for from there minimum wages
was that harking back to the old colonial days  :farmer:

waterhouse

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #62 on: January 14, 2012, 08:49:44 pm »
I know a great deal more about RBS than you do, Robert.  And a lot of other things too.

The registered office remains 36 St Andrew Square, but that's just a technicality.  Many inebriated people have joined John Hope on the horse in the front garden, and the building has an awesome domed ceiling, but its just a branch, has been for years. 

Gogaburn is now just another admin office with none of the principal business units based there.  Retail, corporate banking, Direct Line and the investment bank are all run from England and the CEO is based in London.  Gogarburn is and always was a damned expensive white elephant, one of many.

I don't have an axe to grind on this subject and I don't have a view either way as to what should happen.  All I'm saying is that it isn't a simple decision and it affects other people


Sandy

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2012, 08:52:13 pm »
No doubt we/I will find out whats going to happen one day, all I know is the rich will still be rich and the poor still poor no matter who rules!!!!!!!!! Not sure anyone knows whats going to happen the polititians have got us by the goolies!!!

Plantoid

  • Joined May 2011
  • Yorkshireman on a hill in wet South Wales
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #64 on: January 14, 2012, 10:34:24 pm »
Sandy do an internet search for goups of people for and people against the independence & the referendum etc..

Then immerse yourself in the stuff from both sides of the situation , then leave it for  a few days and let your sub consious mind  sort the fly muck out from the pepper.
At the end of the day your thoughts  might well be what is good for you and no one else , but at least you will have seen /heard a bit more away from this forum which is supposed to be harmonious and friendly .

Politics on a site as good as this have a tendency to upset that Status Quo
« Last Edit: January 14, 2012, 10:57:12 pm by Plantoid »
International playboy & liar .
Man of the world not a country

Sandy

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #65 on: January 14, 2012, 10:38:36 pm »
Thanks.......the best advice so far :wave:

robert waddell

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #66 on: January 14, 2012, 11:01:10 pm »
well waterhouse only an investment banker would take the air of superiority  and your dislike of the Scots and welsh :farmer:

waterhouse

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2012, 11:06:07 pm »
Predictable and wrong on all counts. 

doganjo

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Clackmannanshire
  • Qui? Moi?
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2012, 12:00:22 am »
Now boys, put your handbags away! ;D
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

Dan

  • The Accidental Smallholder
  • Administrator
  • Joined Oct 2007
  • Carnoustie, Angus
    • The Accidental Smallholder
    • Facebook
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2012, 08:57:37 am »
Please keep this on topic and stop the personal attacks. Any more and I'm in the mood to hand out some bans.

Please temper your opinions with a little humility and respect for others who may have a different world view.

Thank you.  :)

robert waddell

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2012, 10:12:16 am »
it will be the voting people of Scotland that will decide irrespective if they can claim ancestry back to the Pict's or if it is Ali from the corner shop
all this speculation and predictions of what  will happen or wont happen only leads to confusion and the wrong decision being voted for
Dan you have a fantastic site here after waterhouses condemnation i trawled his postings that are listed that is were he has written he was/is (does not do the traveling now  doing conference calls from home) an investment banker and his dislikes  :farmer:

Sandy

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2012, 11:28:49 am »
How interesting, I just read this article and made me worry more...remember I only asked and have no opinion and need to find out as much as possible and wanted some clarity on here and not personal attacks by anyone to anyone, thats silly, we are all entitled to our opinions and we all have our own economy and life style etc to worry about, what do others think ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jan/14/scottish-independence-alistair-darling

doganjo

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Clackmannanshire
  • Qui? Moi?
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2012, 02:28:25 pm »
I have to admit that although I am a member of the SNP, I am not sure what is best either.  That is why I really do think we need until 2014 to see how all the arguments and discussions pan out, and I am very disappointed that the Government is trying to force an earlier decision, and an 'either or'  one at that.  I don't think there is ANYONE on this forum who can tell us exactly what way Scotland should go.  I feel we do suffer somewhat from the English Parliament's decisions, but at the same time there are benefits, and perhaps the Devo Max is the best option overall.  I just don't know - but I am willing to listen to everything before I put my cross on any piece of paper.  So bring on the discussion and let's wait until 2014
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

Sandy

  • Guest
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2012, 03:15:46 pm »
That's what I thought....a difficult time for this sort of change, I do see the need to keep the Scottish culture and heritage etc, as I said a lot earlier, despite what politicians say, I wonder how being independent will effect future investments, house prices etc  Its nice to be passionate but sometimes we need to weigh things up without the passion!!!!! ...Oh well......we will see...maybe Mystic Meg has the answer???....wonder if she is on the forum!

lill

  • Joined May 2011
Re: scottish independence.
« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2012, 05:13:09 pm »
politics and religion is something i never get involved in, surely it is best to wait and see when it is nearer the time of voting. Everyone is entitled to there own oppion, but slagging it out over a public forum is not the answer. Yes Robert does know a lot and I dare say waterhouse also knows a lot too but there is NO ONE BETTER THAT ANOTHER ON THIS FORUM ;) ;)

 

© The Accidental Smallholder Ltd 2003-2025. All rights reserved.

Design by Furness Internet

Site developed by Champion IS