Both really. They are the breed I grew up with in Sussex, so I've a great interest in breeding particular old lines. They are a good meat breed when bred pure, they were once so prolific, because butchers really liked them. Then things went crazy with the demand for great big joints etc., and they fell out of favour until the arrival of bigger rams from France among other places. I would like to have a go at showing them to see if we can encourage some interest, although I don't know about the ram, as he's not quite what I would have wanted.