[bazzais]

I pay tax to a government which should then distribute the cash and investment to the people that need it and who cant obtain it through hard work and doing what they can.  If they want a 'Big Society' approach then why take my tax money, I am pretty sure I can find areas in my local community that I can give it to direct that will make a real beneficial change.

How about 100% offset tax breaks for people/businesses that contribute to authorised charities? Not just tax back for personal contribution and company contributions.

The 'Big Society' that the tories talk off is a scam imo, a method or redirecting their incompetent of management back to the people. Passing the blame/buck for failings that will inevitably occur.

The tories are really shooting themselves in the foot as we speak - as more and more people are seeing through their objectives and more and more self employed are now working for cash or swapping labour - but most of all losing faith in the system as it doesn't appear to be working.

Meanwhile the biggest companies that exist in the UK operate outside the scope of UK legislation and VAT tax laws. - google UK invoicing from ireland (outside the scope of UK vat) - ladbrokes and william hill gaming products in Gibraltar all outside the scope of UK vat laws and in tax havens.

Distribution of wealth does not come by making people volunteer for the work that they see is needed on an everyday basis - The 'Big Society' is about getting the 'worker' to do the work for as little as possible while others reap the benefits.

The tory party objectives have always been the same - a market led approach, wealth creation = more wealth - but whos wealth is the pertinent question we should be asking?

The less investment we make into solving/helping societies problems the more we all have to pay in the long run.

We dont need more charities where the director sits at the top creaming off the cash as dividends and ultra high wages as a rule - we need a state that looks after its citizens for the benefit of a world.

Baz

[Hatty]

I think the Big Society approach is that by giving people ways in which they can contribute, feel useful and valued, there is less need for preventative measures.

I really really really hope it works.

The biggest problem with this, is many sectors see it as a way to get rid off hard working long serving staff that they can now replace with retired unpaid people, I spent 2 years at Uni to get my teaching qualification only to find that the big society can now provide little old ladies to do my job for no pay!!! and I am still 25thousand quid i debt with little prospects of getting a well enough paid job to clear it.

Think the government should take a look at the bigger picture before making these changes and look at the damage they are causing, free labour puts other people out of work!! sorry for the rant x x

back to the original thread............................... I have been looking at our local paper to day (not something I do much) there has been an accident near me where a 28 year old man and his 3 year old daughter have been hit by the Leeds to kings x train on an unmanned crossing near Adwick he was killed and his baby girl is critical in IC unit at DRI. maybe they should get one of the big society to operate it?? When I was 18 ooo so very long 30ish years ago my Grandfather was killed in the same place same thing hit by a train, they blamed it on his Altzimers makes me wonder???