Author Topic: Climate Change?  (Read 16268 times)

yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2011, 09:43:00 pm »
Why do you think we are part of climate change?   We are but a tiny cog of the wheel that is the universe!

God thinks we are special but in terms of the big picture, we are but a speck.

I have to go now...I smell pig poo on me.  It comes and goes.  Can't pin point the exact source on my clothes.  Think I need to clean up.

doganjo

  • Joined Aug 2012
  • Clackmannanshire
  • Qui? Moi?
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2011, 10:06:33 pm »
Well whatever is causing the change in the weather I just do my bit to save putting everything in a landfill site and causing more problems. ::)  I recycle everything I can, I switch off lights if I am not in the room - except if it is a fluorescent one (garage/kennel in the evening) which uses more power being switched on and off than staying on, I collect twigs and branches that fall off my trees to burn in my fire, but I don't take from the woodland walks I go on with my dogs as they are not my woods, I keep my heating on a lower temperature and wear an extra top, I buy food that is about to out of date and freeze it on the day,  I keep my freezer as full as I can, I wear clothes from the charity shops as that is another way of recycling, I give things away on freegle/freecycle, and if I see anything offered there that I need I ask if I can have it.  I try to grow food but I'm not very good at it, I have ducks and chickens so am self sufficient in eggs.   I do my best, but I sometimes wonder if it's good enough. ;D
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2011, 11:22:47 pm »
Annie what you are doing is positive and better than doing nothing.

Yankie Girl - we can't blame this one on a God, it's real life.  Why would you think that we are NOT part of what is causing climate change?  Earth is a small planet with a huge infestation of human beings, which have multiplied far beyond what is ideal for a planet of this size. We are not a speck, we are legion.  This has led to an imbalance in the natural systems which control the climate of our little planet.  So many humans are, as I said before, spewing out industrial pollutants in to the atmosphere and at the same time removing huge areas of forest - the forests and all greenery are the lungs of our world, turning sunlight and carbon dioxide into oxygen for us to breathe.  The Earth won't die, but we just might if we continue, with our greed for energy, to add to the imbalance we are causing.  Then the Earth will give a good shake and we will all be gone.
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

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yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2011, 12:26:32 am »


Yankie Girl - we can't blame this one on a God, it's real life.  Why would you think that we are NOT part of what is causing climate change?  Earth is a small planet with a huge infestation of human beings, which have multiplied far beyond what is ideal for a planet of this size.

I don't blame anything about this on God. 

I must not have been issued the manual on how many people are ideal for a planet of this size.  We Yanks aren't big on reading anyway! haha

Also, how do you know we are "out of balance"?  That is the kind of blah blah blah that makes my side of the argument crazy.  What is balance?  According to who?

Please give me credit for knowing that we need to responsible stewarts of the wonderful place God has given us to live.  I know not to poop in my hat.


yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2011, 12:28:25 am »
HOW DO I MAKE THAT BLUE SHADED BOX TO QUOTE ANOTHER PERSON?

I just want to fit in!!!!!!!!!!! 

SallyintNorth

  • Joined Feb 2011
  • Cornwall
  • Rarely short of an opinion but I mean well
    • Trelay Cohousing Community
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2011, 12:32:46 am »
HOW DO I MAKE THAT BLUE SHADED BOX TO QUOTE ANOTHER PERSON?

I just want to fit in!!!!!!!!!!! 

Press 'Quote' and then type your response after you see /quote in square brackets.

You're opinionated, independent-minded and outspoken.  You fit right in.   ;D
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tizaala

  • Joined Mar 2011
  • Dolau, Llandrindod Wells,Powys
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2011, 05:49:45 am »
My Grandfather, who lived to 99yrs and died in the seventies , could remember the ice skating on the Thames and people having an ox-roast on the river Severn at Bridgenorth when he was a young man.
Technically we are still coming out of the last ice-age, Volcanos chuck out more poisonous gasses than man, Gods were invented by man, not the other way round , (work it out for yourselves)
Cows (and Grandad) contributed more to climate change, if we could only harvest  those flamable gasses we could run our cars......

yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2011, 11:11:04 am »
Ok here goes

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Press 'Quote' and then type your response after you see /quote in square brackets.
 

did it work?
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yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2011, 11:12:38 am »
I am not usually this d@mn stupid.  I quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

doganjo

  • Joined Aug 2012
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Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2011, 11:27:45 am »
Highlight and copy a section of the post you want to quote.  Hover over the icon on the middle row with the yellow speech box in it, it says 'insert quote', click on it and quotes are inserted into your message.  Click between those words and paste the words you copied.
viz -
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I am not usually this d@mn stupid.  I quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why am I helping you?  You are a waster of my world's energy  ;D ;D ;D

And if you want to quote a whole message the word 'quote' is on the top right hand side of the message. Clcik on that and it autonmatically opens a reply box with the words already quoted. ::) ::)  I found all of this out by trial and error.  Try harder!  ;) ;D ;D ;D  And use the smileys, they are COOL! 8)
« Last Edit: June 17, 2011, 11:30:43 am by doganjo »
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

doganjo

  • Joined Aug 2012
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Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2011, 11:31:53 am »
Highlight and copy a section of the post you want to quote.  Hover over the icon on the middle row with the yellow speech box in it, it says 'insert quote', click on it and quotes are inserted into your message.  Click between those words and paste the words you copied.
viz -
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I am not usually this d@mn stupid.  I quit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why am I helping you?  You are a waster of my world's energy  ;D ;D ;D

And if you want to quote a whole message the word 'quote' is on the top right hand side of the message. Clcik on that and it autonmatically opens a reply box with the words already quoted. ::) ::)  I found all of this out by trial and error.  Try harder!  ;) ;D ;D ;D  And use the smileys, they are COOL! 8)
See? :-* :wave: :love:
Always have been, always will be, a WYSIWYG - black is black, white is white - no grey in my life! But I'm mellowing in my old age

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2011, 11:51:25 am »
   Also, how do you know we are "out of balance"?  That is the kind of blah blah blah that makes my side of the argument crazy.  What is balance?  According to who?

Hi Yankee Girl.  

It is tempting just to ignore all the screaming panicking apocalyptic ranting which goes on, because that is a load of old blah blah blah as you call it.  However, it is worth looking calmly to find what seems to be a kernel of truth underneath all that stuff. There are some dedicated scientists, whose work is hyped out of all proportion by the media, but who are doing steady research into the changes occurring.  

Firstly though, there is a difference between weather and climate as I'm sure you know, where weather changes every year and has cycles in the order of hundreds of years, whereas climate changes over thousands of years, millennia and eras.

When I spoke of 'balance' it was not any kind of blahblahblah - let me explain.  Over geological time, the climate of the earth has changed drastically, as you have said.  For most of this time the conditions on Earth have not been suitable for mammals to live - in fact for most of its history Earth has not had 'life' of any kind.

In the current era, climate and life have evolved to a point where mammals - and human beings - can live and breathe, eat and reproduce.  To do that, we need certain conditions such as a particular percentage of oxygen in the atmosphere with a low incidence of gases we cannot breathe, a range of temperatures we can cope with, sufficient rainfall to grow our crops - and these conditions must also suit the plants we eat - mainly grass-based cereals - and the animals we eat.  

The Earth currently has achieved a balance of these things, and others, which enable us to live here.  

If this balance is changed then yes, initially we, or some of us, could adapt and evolve to cope (as those living in the high areas of say Tibet have done, having a higher concentration of red blood cells to enable them to breathe air with less oxygen in it).  However, if the climate changes to such a degree, or so quickly, that we cannot evolve or adapt or we reach the limits of our adaptability or evolutionary potential, then we cannot live here so humanity will die out - we don't have anywhere else to go. The Earth will continue as she always has, but our interest is presumably only in our own survival as a species.

So when I use the word balance, I mean a set of conditions which suit humans - this is not according to what 'someone' says, but simply what is the case (no food - you die.  No oxygen - you die.  Under water - you die. No babies - the species dies).  By artificially altering some of the aspects of this balance, we risk upsetting the whole thing.  The only way to 'prove' this will be when we are wiped out, so we - you and I - are not going to know about it, but it seems sensible to me to take the situation seriously and slow down world consumption of those raw materials whose use is leading to a change in our environment.  

There are all sorts of changes which may occur, including a rise in sea levels - this is only really important to those who live in the majority of the cities of the world, which would become below sea level.  Their loss will not affect the Earth, but will be pretty inconvenient for those living there.  A lot of prime agricultural land will also be lost, which will affect our ability to feed our huge numbers, something which we don't seem able to do even now.

So I think the idea of climate change is something we should take seriously, find out the facts as far as we can, ignore the ranters and see what we can ALL do to help.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2011, 12:06:54 pm by Fleecewife »
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

 Love your soil - it's the lifeblood of your land.

yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2011, 01:10:09 pm »

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I love this site!  Thanks for helping a lowly "energy waster"!!!! hahaha
I think I got it!

You folks are the best!

yankieGirl

  • Joined Jan 2011
  • Pennsylvania, USA
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2011, 01:22:28 pm »
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... world consumption of those raw materials whose use is leading to a change in our environment. 

I follow your argument.

I agree that as the climate changes so does our reaction to those changes (planting earlier or later in the season etc).

However, in the above you are assuming something that hasn't been proven.  That is the point of contention between the me's of the world and the you's

(See how good I am at entering quotes!!!)

Fleecewife

  • Joined May 2010
  • South Lanarkshire
    • ScotHebs
Re: Climate Change?
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2011, 03:22:16 pm »
Are the hapless citizens of New Orleans better off now they have incontrovertible proof that their flood defences were totally inadequate?
"Let's not talk about what we can do, but do what we can"

There is NO planet B - what are YOU doing to save our home?

Do something today that your future self will thank you for - plant a tree

 Love your soil - it's the lifeblood of your land.

 

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