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plumseverywhere

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egg bound? peritonitis?
« on: May 20, 2011, 04:50:38 pm »
oh bum. our lovely and oldest hen, chicken korma, is poorly. one of the very few we named and have become attached to.

She' wasn't looking too clever yesterday but nothing I was overly concerned about as still eating and drinking and wandering about. today however, I've found her sat in the nest box looking quite sad. I lifted her out and immediately the noticed her abdomen is swollen. she is waddling rather than her normal walk. I cannot feel an egg in the vent. her poo is lime green.
should I try any water baths etc? or perhaps at her age (about 4 we think) is this old age and she is just tired and wanting to rest in peace  :(
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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 04:55:27 pm »
Could be E-coli, if it is the hen should get over it but it will be a little while before she lays again

plumseverywhere

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2011, 04:56:21 pm »
E-coli? that's sounding quite worrying - I don't *think* she's layed for a bit but my children eat the eggs our hens lay...
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katie

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2011, 05:01:11 pm »
Does it feel like fluid? We had one that suddenly swelled up with fluid. I googled it and it's called ascites or water belly.Apparently it's common in hybrids.Sadly there was no alternative but to cull her.
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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 05:03:52 pm »
Hi Katie, she just feels 'hard'. she also feels quite warm. I said to tony that maybe I should stop her suffering but for now we are keeping an eye. feeling quite sad as she was our first chicken  :(
thank you for reply xxx
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katie

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 05:32:06 pm »
Mmm, Don't know then, I'm afraid. 'Keeping an eye' is usually the best bet, for children and livestock!


ambriel

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 05:37:17 pm »

We lost one of ours to egg peritonitis recently.

She went downhill very quickly: not eating, not walking properly, upright sitting posture.

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 05:55:14 pm »
E-coli? that's sounding quite worrying - I don't *think* she's layed for a bit but my children eat the eggs our hens lay...
E Coli is a natural bug present in the gut - every gut.  Every bit of droppings smeared on an egg will have E Coli in, but it is dealt with by normal hygiene.  Presumably Bioman means E Coli somewhere it shouldn't be, which is when it can be a problem.  It's like saying someone has 'blood pressure'.  We all have blood pressure but it becomes a problem when it is raised (or when we don't have any and then we are dead  :o)  If this is caused by a normal strain of E Coli then a simple antibiotic would help.
It does unfortunately sound to me like something which we have seen a couple of times and the hen always dies or has to be destroyed   :(
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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 06:40:05 pm »
She's not looking great but she is an older hen and I have taken the decision to move her into the boot room and she is cosy in a spare indoor bunny cage with food, water, clean bedding and no draughts.
will see how she is tomorrow, if she is still with us but its not looking good.
thanks for the replies  :)
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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2011, 07:47:33 pm »
Its ecoli in a place it shouldnt be. It shouldnt affect any other of your hens as its present in every hen. It could not be mind; Chickens are notoriously difficult at diagnosed without a blood test  :chook:

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2011, 07:55:08 pm »
THanks Bioman  :)  I think its my background as a nurse, I hear e-coli and panic as I only came across it in very ill humans  ;D  will see how she goes for now, she is comfortable (or at least is showing no signs of discomfort)
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Tamsaddle

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2011, 07:57:42 pm »
We had a chicken recently with a very similar problem.   Very swollen abdomen which was very warm, with messy green poohs, and waddled about very slowly or sat down.   No interest in food or water.   I tried everything like warm water baths and vaseline to no avail.   Kept her in a crate separate from the others in case it was infectious.     After 3 days with no change in her condition a vet visiting the horses next door came and had a look and did an internal examination to see if she was egg bound but decided she wasn't.    However, the shock of the examination sent her into spasm and she died suddenly, just like that, which was quite a relief as she had been looking incredibly uncomfortable.    When it was all over I decided it would be stupid to waste the opportunity of a post mortem to see if I could actually find out what had been wrong.    As soon as the abdomen was opened, what looked like gallons of clear, yellow, odourless urine gushed out, and once that had gone her whole body returned to normal size.   However, the interesting part was an enormous yellow, oval mass that had been floating in this liquid - it resembled cooked egg, no shell, and was approx 12 x 7 x 7 cms - far far too large to have come out by natural means if she had lived.    When sliced in half, the yellow mass looked like layer upon layer of lightly cooked egg - I reckon it may have started off as an egg bound problem, then just got bigger and bigger.    But there was no sign of infection, or any bad smell.     No guarantee of course that your hen is suffering from the same thing, but it does sound very similar.    Mine was a black rock hybrid, about 2 years old, and as far as I know she had been a good layer before this.    Good luck, but if yours continues to be enormous and swollen for much longer I think you might have to call it a day  -  Tamsaddle      

little blue

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2011, 07:58:52 pm »
poor old girl....
she's a good age!  
Little Blue

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2011, 08:04:42 pm »
that does sound incredibly similar. crikey  :-\

she is a good age little blue - lovely girl she is too x
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Tamsaddle

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Re: egg bound? peritonitis?
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2011, 08:19:28 pm »
I have just read an earlier post which I think relates to the same chicken, Chicken Korma, in which you said she was laying shell-less eggs.   I occasionally used to get eggs without shells too, but with 8 chickens it was impossible to tell which was laying what.   I am now wondering if my sick chicken was the shell-less layer, and that the mass I found inside was several days/weeks worth of shell-less egg build up.   Now I come to think of it we have had no shell-less eggs since her demise, so perhaps that's what it was  -  Tamsaddle   

 

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